Ep. 51: Sora 2, Veo 3 & The AI Video Gold Rush

0:00:00Intro + return from creative hibernation

Play from 0:00:01 8:88:88 0:00:01 What's up, everybody? Midjourney Fast Hours podcast episode 51. We're back after a long hiatus. I think we took maybe. weeks? Four weeks? Something like that? Sorry guys. Yeah, we're sorry, guys. We missed you. We missed this. ah This is our therapy each week. And we've both just been busy and had things going that just conflicted.

Play from 0:00:27 8:88:88 0:00:27 But we're back. We are back. We have a lot to talk about, obviously. Lots changed in a month. Surprise, surprise. ah We've got several new video models. We've got several. new sort of like ways to think about how you would get to end results of things. We've got Midjourney style explore going further and further. So I mean, there's a lot that we can cover.

0:00:42Sora 2 drops: “the floodgates just opened”

Play from 0:00:54 8:88:88 0:00:54 think you and I were talking about it first. I think we've got to start with Sora 2, right? yes, like bombshell again, just, you know, every week it's something that is, I don't know, landmark watershed, whatever the holding term is you want to call it. Because this one, it's just, again, like there's there's certain there's certain elements that always feel like holes in the in the tools. Like one is editing, like one can't, you know, you can't really like edit a bunch of clips together, you know, with one shot.

Play from 0:01:23 8:88:88 0:01:23 I mean, you can, but it's never that good. But, you know, Sora comes out. with this thing and it's just like full edits like and you can also do sound and dialogue and also IP allegedly and apparently you can do whatever IP you want. So again, it feels like this is just uh the next step. And now again, because they put this out, everyone's going to want to do it. And it's I don't know if you have you gotten to play with it at least once or twice to see sort of the capabilities.

0:01:27Sora 2’s new tricks: editing, sound, dialogue, and IP

Play from 0:01:50 8:88:88 0:01:50 have been watching closely, but I have not been in the tool yet. I've saved a few things that I've really enjoyed. But I think just in general, again, I've been wrapped up with other things. So I haven't gone full into Sora yet. I think it's interesting. I knew Sora 2 was coming this year. I didn't know when.

0:02:17Veo 3 vs Sora 2 vs Ray 3

Play from 0:02:18 8:88:88 0:02:18 So that was kind of interesting to kind of just see that fly up out of nowhere last week. They did take Sora, I think, out of the navigation on ChatGPT like last week. So was like there was maybe some whispers that, oh, OK, here it comes. Like maybe they're going to swap that out. So that was interesting. then I think Google's going to have probably Veo 4 by the end of the year, I would imagine. So here we go.

Play from 0:02:44 8:88:88 0:02:44 Here we go, man. they're waiting for Q4. They're waiting for Sora to drop Sora to let Sora get their couple weeks and then they'll get their couple weeks. I mean, it's like very, the one thing about Sora is it's fun. Man, like I like been playing around with it. First off, I've been trolling my friends a bunch. It's epic. Like you can go in there. Look, we have a buddy who, you know, he... We make fun of him because he only likes to drink at bars.

Play from 0:03:11 8:88:88 0:03:11 He doesn't like to drink at people's apartments or houses or like in his own home. He likes to only go to bars and get drunk. And then he screams like a goat. So I made like a like a South Park episode preview. He's getting close to 40, but it's you know, we still got to we still got to our inner child out, dude. I don't discriminate against anyone's kinks. They want to party. They want to party. the deal with not drinking in the home? It's just a it's like a running joke that it's always just like, where are we going out?

0:03:20Rory’s South Park AI episode + the “bar-only” friend

Play from 0:03:39 8:88:88 0:03:39 And it's just like, well, you know, sometimes you don't want to go out. We just want to hang out with the boys. But he wants to go out. So but we made this whole I made this like episode preview where it's like he's like I put him in the episode and he's now Randy Marsh's new drinking buddy. And it's like, who is that guy? I don't know. His name is Dweed, but he likes to scream like a goat. It's like it can come up with this. You can give it a very minimal prompt could be like You know, South Park episode preview.

Play from 0:04:07 8:88:88 0:04:07 This character is introduced and we're making fun of them. And that's it. And then like the whole script, the whole cuts, the edits, everything. So it's very attainable, which I think is a, if you want to talk about like AI adoption, I have a feeling this will be like the best tool for AI adoption since probably Midjourney where you can go in with minimal background, with minimal sort of knowledge, type in anything and get something good.

Play from 0:04:32 8:88:88 0:04:32 And then it's like fun. You can share it. And obviously it lives in its own little social feed that's there, which another point I think is also interesting is that everyone's been like, why do we need like a dedicated sort of like AI only space? Right. But I think it's good because it's like it doesn't pollute everything else. Like it'll get shared on all the other tools. But like when you go there, you know, it's all fake. You know, it's like it's not like anyone's trying to break reality.

Play from 0:05:00 8:88:88 0:05:00 Like everything that's made was made there. yeah. So it's like a little bit of a sandbox in a sense, right? Where you know the context of everything that's posted ahead of time. So then maybe your mindset going into that is a little bit different, right? Because I think we've probably seen so much, I would imagine the same way, but half the time I'm looking at something just as a bystander and the other half I'm. deconstructing in my mind, thinking about, they did this and they went to do that.

0:05:00Why dedicated AI-only spaces actually matter

Play from 0:05:29 8:88:88 0:05:29 uh they had to do this in order to get that. And it's like, OK, is that something that I would want to do with anything that I'm creating? I think about it from both sides of the equation. And I think if you were going into that app, I would be much more focused on the latter of almost learning through other people's creations at the same time. Yeah, which is also, which is like to me, if this is how AI is going to go and it's going to be like totally just type in whatever you want.

0:05:48Remix culture, Mr. Rogers AI, and the rise of comedic timing

Play from 0:05:57 8:88:88 0:05:57 To me, to me, that's like ideas again, win, because if everyone can do anything, then, you know, what's ever going to rise to the top is going to be the best idea. And then, you know, has the one thing that's great about is because like old Sora, like Sora one, like had the remix feature, which I always thought was like their best feature, which is basically like the video to video stuff. But you can do that with anyone's post now. like I saw one with Mr.

Play from 0:06:23 8:88:88 0:06:23 Rogers explaining what rizz is like is like, just like hit the remix button. I'm like, explain what six seven is that stupid Gen Z term. And it's just like you can go and play off what people it feels very much like Midjourney, like the explore page, how you can take it and go and use it. Right. That's kind of why I like it. But it's definitely going to be I've heard a bunch of people say their kids are using it. Like they're having fun with it.

Play from 0:06:49 8:88:88 0:06:49 gets comedy, which is great. Like it has like an actual comedic timing and like understands that stuff, which I don't think most tools do. So it's a, it's a whole new ball game. If that's what the real model is going to be like, if it's going to be that good, then game on like again, like Jesus. mean, game on every week. God damn. ah So for people that haven't used it yet, are trying to get in, um you're saying that in terms of just creating things, this is the easiest it's ever been from a video standpoint.

0:07:00The “Remix” button, mass adoption, and kids using Sora

Play from 0:07:30 8:88:88 0:07:30 Yeah. And then with the tech itself and kind of like where we've come, right? Like this is probably... going to be a real eye opening moment for a lot of people, especially maybe people that haven't gone super deep in video yet. Yeah. And I mean, like I'll pop it open. Like this is the desktop view. um But if we go to like the home page, it feels very much like the explore page on ChatGPT where you can like go through here.

Play from 0:07:58 8:88:88 0:07:58 You can look, you everyone's got their profile, right? They have, you have your likes, but there's, have to figure out how to, I don't know if you can, you can hear this, right? The sound. No. I can, but the audience won't be able to, I believe. it's really annoying because anytime you hover over a video, it just starts playing like I don't want to. Yeah, so if you see down at the bottom here, I'm not going to hover over it so doesn't screw up the audio, but you'll see there's the likes, the comments, and there's a little remix button.

Play from 0:08:27 8:88:88 0:08:27 You can you can hit that and remix it, which is just like you take it and do whatever you want. Like if I wanted to change this character from Bender to someone else, like you can just do that or you can be like, let's take the next the next iteration of this scene and go with that. But yeah, it's like to me, it's and like the IP stuff, I don't know how they're getting around this. You can use anything.

0:08:43The IP gray area: Minecraft meets Mr. Rogers

Play from 0:08:53 8:88:88 0:08:53 Meanwhile, Midjourney's getting sued left and right. Yeah, so that opens up a whole nother conversation, right? It's like, if they don't care about it, do we care about it? Like, this is at a mass scale. Like, everyone's IP, like, here's Mr. Rogers, right? Like, Minecraft. too because uh you know, dude, like you've got a kid now, but when you ever start letting your child watch, you know, some shows or you're trying to find TV shows for your child, almost all of it's garbage.

Play from 0:09:27 8:88:88 0:09:27 down this rabbit hole of Mr. Rogers with the kids and they loved it. They loved it. And I was like, guys, this is the goat right here. This is the goat. I mean, he was on the air for decades. I mean, give this man his flowers, ah It's awesome. Like it's so it's so fun because you can also do like when you're in here creating, you can do you can add an image and start from an image.

0:09:43Cameos, access codes, and mobile vs desktop creation

Play from 0:09:54 8:88:88 0:09:54 um You can also do like cameos. So with cameos like you can record yourself. It's actually like a really pretty decent one to one transfer of like yourself and your voice into the video. So you can just do that. But if you're you can also allow yourself like They have the settings here. No. I don't know if they have the settings, but like on the mobile app, you can say like, allow my friends to use my cameo or allow like everyone to use my cameo, which is so like if you put it out there like Sam Altman's is public for everyone.

Play from 0:10:30 8:88:88 0:10:30 So you can just do whatever you want with Sam Altman. I've seen some crazy. imagine if he's like, Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, so I mean like this stuff has been pretty fun. Like I created this one with Mario. to get into it. Dude, it's like taking this and then remixing it too. are they still doing uh codes to get access? Is that still happening for people that haven't been in?

Play from 0:10:57 8:88:88 0:10:57 I believe that's the case. So where do these people find codes at? They're just floating around right now. I'm pretty sure I gave away all of my codes. um Those were where? Let's see where they are. Are they here? It's so much easier on the actual mobile app than the desktop app. um There's like way more stuff to do. I like it more on the mobile app than here. It's fun to.

Play from 0:11:23 8:88:88 0:11:23 It's like fun to. What's the best way to put this? Just like be out on a walk and have like a random idea and then hit it and then you have like a full video. You know, like it's so like in the drug, you know, I have like Mario playing and one, you know, street hoops and one mixed tape style that you can do anything like I'm making. You can make South Park episodes.

Play from 0:11:48 8:88:88 0:11:48 I have my myself in a cameo for an ESPN broadcast like. What's the is the aspect ratio either 16 9 or 9 16? Those are your two choices. Okay. So I mean, again, like I don't know how this IP works. Like there's one down here where I just said for Lord of the Rings, I'm like, give me Lord of the Rings, give me the perspective of Frodo for Lord of the Rings for like all the major events or something like that.

Play from 0:12:16 8:88:88 0:12:16 And it was like, how is it, how is it able to go through like here and generate that? It's so random. It makes no sense. Like this one saying, you know, it's like, give me a scene for love Island where they see Ronald and Wendy. about the sequential, like the linear flow of this? So this is, we're at a level now with this where, using that Frodo example, like it's able to put things in a chronological order on its own.

0:12:25Sequential storytelling: AI understands chronology now

Play from 0:12:47 8:88:88 0:12:47 Yeah. I said, give me Frodo's journey from his perspective, basically, like first person perspective of Frodo's journey through the entirety of the story. And it's like actually sequentially right, correct, which is I mean, it's obvious, but it's also like a big deal still um because, know, like you think about it, it's like, okay, well, these are things that you would probably normally have to manually task yourself out in an LLM to build out some sequential order or script or whatever.

Play from 0:13:13 8:88:88 0:13:13 Right. So you knew it was happening at some point, but to get that just from maybe a simple standpoint, right, where it's baked into the back end to give you something chronological, linear, cumulative storytelling. arc, you know, that's pretty, that's pretty cool. It's, you can type in something as simple as like, you know, Toyota ad, it'll create a full ad for you.

0:13:29Toyota ads, guerrilla launches, and OpenAI’s flood strategy

Play from 0:13:39 8:88:88 0:13:39 I mean, it's, it's, it's scripted, it's edited. It's sort of like fits their brand vibe. Like it's not, I just don't understand. generations right now? Do they have a limit on generations? Do you have to be a certain plan member like they did with Sora with Pro and Plus and all this bullshit or no? I'm pretty sure it's 50 generations a day, but right now I haven't been there's like no credit system.

Play from 0:14:06 8:88:88 0:14:06 So I don't I'm not exactly sure what it is. Is it? they're just, it's free for all. They want people to create, they want to flood, then they maybe put some posts up here shortly. They definitely want to flood. This is definitely an interesting marketing strategy where, you know, I would say probably one of the better marketing strategies I've seen in a while where, again, it's just guerrilla, where it's like, all right, we'll just blast all of this stuff, get people to just use it because they're seeing the most ridiculous things.

Play from 0:14:42 8:88:88 0:14:42 And then, like, we'll get a bunch of new users who aren't just the diehards to then like when Sora 2 finally releases the full model. I'm interested in that. Um I got a question for you. We were talking about this a little bit before we hit record too, but like, so obviously like from a social aspect, this is fun. From a brand business standpoint, what do you think the appetite is gonna be to use something like this?

0:15:00IP risk vs reward — how far can brands push it

Play from 0:15:10 8:88:88 0:15:10 Will it be, hey, we wanna start doing this right away? Or is this like another one of those moments where it's like, what? I don't, know, like to your point with the IP, it's like, what should we be doing here? Do we need to like sit back and wait to get some more clarity of the situation? uh And before we move forward, because I think like uh a lot of these brands are just, uh they don't really, you know, like this, we're still so new in this space, unless they've got, you know, somebody that is an expert in this area that is in.

Play from 0:15:46 8:88:88 0:15:46 you know, their legal department are really consulting them with how they should act that is well-knowledged and well-versed in this space. It's just kind of like no one really knows what to do. There is no answer. So it's just to me, it's all risk tolerance. Do you want to do it do you not want to do it? And the thing with open AI is like, I'm pretty sure every single business that is viable is using open AI in some way, shape or form.

Play from 0:16:15 8:88:88 0:16:15 So it's like, you're already using it. um But like, what are you gonna do? Not use it? Again, at this point, it's like for me, for the use cases for this, obviously, like if you use it, Terribly and wrong you're gonna get you're gonna get shamed like people online if you're using this stuff for social media And it sucks like people are gonna be like this is AI and it sucks But if it's AI and it's good and like you know, it's AI which is where I think I think a lot of stuff is gonna go Personally if I was if I was the head of a big giant billion dollar brand if I was gonna use AI I would do it in the most ridiculous fashion.

Play from 0:16:51 8:88:88 0:16:51 So everyone knows that it's AI, but it's also good. Yeah this is something that we talked about even from the early days of the video stuff. It's like, we all want, like, I think a lot of us default to this realism standpoint with the video stuff, which is cool. But for the longest time, that's also been so unattainable. So it can be seen as a little bit uh misleading or you're trying to maybe trick somebody, right?

Play from 0:17:21 8:88:88 0:17:21 Whereas the opposite side of that is just like, pick a non-realism style and just exploit the technology for what it is and embrace flaws uh in sort of like a lighthearted way. And I think like you can't really lose in that standpoint. There's less variables, there's less polarization, less controversy. And honestly, like to your point, right? Like I just think it makes for a much more enjoyable experience.

Play from 0:17:48 8:88:88 0:17:48 don't have somebody in their mind is not weighing subconsciously, do I like this or not? you know, like in terms of like ethically, morally. That's why the talking Yeti was so big, because it was obviously AI because it can't it can't be real. But it was like, it doesn't matter because it's funny. Do know what I mean? It's like it's that whole sense of like, knowing that it's fake and not trying to like deceive someone by using AI.

0:18:00AI performance comparisons

Play from 0:18:16 8:88:88 0:18:16 It's just like this is AI. But this is what you can do with AI, which is the funny factor, which finally starting to get some tools that come around to it, can be a little bit more goofy and not so serious. does not every tool has to be a Hollywood killer. Like it can just be fun. And brands who embrace that, I think who are just doing it and just like having fun and testing it out and letting their audience feel through it and not being so serious about it are going to be way better off than, you know, it's like, it's like the brands that have fun on social media anyway, like you look at liquid death, right?

Play from 0:18:53 8:88:88 0:18:53 Like They don't care. just do stuff. They make they make fun things and like people just remember their them for being fun. It's not like we have to be so tightly constricted. We can only put product photos in there and talk about like sales and things of that nature. Like no opinions, no anything, no like the yeah. And then like no one cares because it's sterile and it sucks. So Yeah, think it's a I'm excited to try it.

Play from 0:19:19 8:88:88 0:19:19 I'm excited to jump into to sort of to I think Man, we're what? First week of October? I mean, when do we get Sora 3? I think Sora 3 will be here early next year, the way that things are going. Veo 4 we just mentioned, gonna be here this year. I don't have any inside knowledge, but I'm just saying that.

Play from 0:19:44 8:88:88 0:19:44 I would be very surprised if I don't see that before Thanksgiving. You know what I mean? drops. Yeah. Even that seems like a long period between now and thanks get the end of November You know what we talked they were talking about seven weeks between now and sort of two I don't think Google's gonna let let that happen for a minute and then we also had you know, let's maybe transition to we also Got Ray3 from Luma last week two weeks ago um Speaking to your filmmaker stuff like the the examples that I saw were much more sort of geared toward that side um has quieted down a little bit.

Play from 0:20:25 8:88:88 0:20:25 Luma's sort of an interesting character anyway in all of this. uh I know you've been out, but did you kind of hear about this whole thing too with like all their creators getting kicked out of the creator program and then they like brought in just like a few back in and everybody's just like, yo, what are we doing? What are we doing? Like no notice, this is how you piss people off right here. Yeah, they just like kick people out because they were just like, you don't have a big enough following, which look.

Play from 0:20:55 8:88:88 0:20:55 I get it from the brand perspective, they went about it the wrong way, but like I understand from their side where it's like, OK, if you're just using the tool and just using it and getting free credits and like not doing anything in return, like that's and they're just burning money. It's like I get it. I mean, that to me signals that the company might be a little bit, you know, CFO might be getting in there being like. We're burning a lot of money on this stuff and we're not getting anything from it.

Play from 0:21:21 8:88:88 0:21:21 So like I see that, but also the way they went about it sucks. Yeah. If that's the way you were going to do it from the beginning, you obviously didn't have the foresight of what if we run into this problem. ah Yeah, that's interesting. The race three stuff, mean, how much have you played with that? I played with it a little bit. um I don't know that I played with it at a super deep level to really be like, yeah.

Play from 0:21:50 8:88:88 0:21:50 But I did get some interesting things. um What'd get? Pull it up. a milestone thing for Alright. because I found it to be just, I've always liked Luma keyframes. I still think it has like so much morphing and artifacts, but sometimes you can just hit gold in there. Whereas, you know, some of the other tools can do the keyframes as well as Luma can, but I do like, I do overall like Luma's interface, like in the way that you're creating and it's like, you know, modify or more like this, or you're just sort of like having a conversation.

Play from 0:22:24 8:88:88 0:22:24 You can flip the tokens. Like it's a very, like I like the UX UI. I don't know if many people do. I just think it's like very user friendly when you're in there in terms of like being creative, but yeah. like I think it's not as straightforward as it should be. Yeah, it's it's only like if you've been in there and you'd like have seen the evolution and like no, if I just open that up today and never use it, I'd like what the f going on in here?

Play from 0:22:50 8:88:88 0:22:50 Like what is going on? This makes no sense. But I found it to be the one thing I'll put this I'll share the screen here. This is the one thing I've found is that it can do some it can do some fight scenes and things like that, which have always been a little bit harder to produce. Like having this stuff, you know, even these Towards the end here, we get a little bit more extreme with like flips and like crouching tiger, hidden dragon stuff, where it's like, you know, I haven't been able to do fast action sort of fight scenes that aren't just jumbled messes.

0:23:00Fight scenes, motion control, and why keyframes matter

Play from 0:23:21 8:88:88 0:23:21 Like these three here are pretty impressive. This shot, that shot, and then this one specifically at the end, like the little twist, you know, so that's, that's fun. The other thing that's been good is the key frames, right? Like this one is a good example. where it's like, can, you can build in like the speed ramping and almost the editing into it where I was like, all right, that's pretty cool. Like that I can actually do that. But it's also again, using, getting the right key frames, right?

Play from 0:23:48 8:88:88 0:23:48 So I wasn't getting, when I was doing this, this image here, like this monster truck flying over the, uh flying over the lip into like, I want it to, I want it to land, like, like basically skid into my face and then drive away. It wasn't doing it. So I had to go here and then use Nano to get the edit. There's a whole process behind that edit, which is a lot more.

Play from 0:24:14 8:88:88 0:24:14 you prompting, do you find yourself prompting differently for Ray 3 versus VO 3? yeah, well, Veo 3 a lot of times there's more to control, like with the sound, if there's dialogue or whatever. I found that the fast action is better in Veo 3 or in Luma now. I don't know what's going on with Veo 3. I'm having trouble getting anything to move fast anymore. It's all moving slow again. And like, what I mean by that is like fast, like fast moving things, like cars moving fast, people moving fast.

Play from 0:24:44 8:88:88 0:24:44 It looks like everything's back in slow motion again. And I don't know why. It's, it's very odd to me because it wasn't like that before, but for this project specifically, like this entire thing, I was trying to get way more fast shit. Like I wanted the car moving fast. I wanted it ripping it like high speeds and I just wasn't doing it. So this one was interesting here. This little pop-up to a wheelie. Like that was Ray three, just like kind of on its own.

Play from 0:25:10 8:88:88 0:25:10 And I was took some frames out and then redid everything. Um, you know, sort of with Weeby and things of that nature. But overall I thought it was just a, it's a nice update. I don't know how long it'll be relevant for ah until someone else comes out with it, but still still find it weird that people don't use, don't like focus on key frames. People like key frames. I mean, it's like very, very easy for a lot of people to under like digest key frames start here and here, right?

Play from 0:25:41 8:88:88 0:25:41 Easy to control. Cause so one thing with AI video tip again, if you've been here this whole time, You know this if you're a new listener, right? Like anytime you come off, like you have a video, right? Like that example that I just showed with the monster truck flying over the over the lip. There's no context of what the side of that car looks like. So if you're just generating as a start frame, that car lands and you want it to turn, it's going to be a totally different side of the car.

Play from 0:26:11 8:88:88 0:26:11 The wheels are going to look different. The paint job is going to be different because it's just making it up. It has no context. So. Keyframes allow you to control that last frame where it's like, here's how the whole thing should look so you can keep style consistency across it. I think that's the next real big unlock. Maybe in combination, it's right up there with to me like the audio and inflection and tone being correct, but the consistency with minimal oversight from scene to scene, or the progression of a scene.

Play from 0:26:49 8:88:88 0:26:49 Because to your point, there are so many of these micro moments. that come up where you're like, oh, I give enough detail? Did I provide enough detail either in the text prompt or the key frames or even just going from video to video to eliminate the possibility of things morphing or changing or losing the consistency in certain spots? Because even that one little thing, especially if you're talking about using it from any professional or external standpoint outside of just social, is just like, well, you need to have that on point.

Play from 0:27:22 8:88:88 0:27:22 And that still feels a little bit painful of a process. And that'll be one of those, I think, signature moments when that starts to take place. uh Because it's like, dude, we go down these. I'll go down and I'm like, I've got a couple clips, this, that, and the other. I go back, I'm like, oh, fuck, I just noticed something I didn't notice the first time around. Do I really want to go back and create? Fuck, no, sure don't. Because it's just for fun.

Play from 0:27:49 8:88:88 0:27:49 I really don't want to spend another half hour doing that. go pick up my kids from school. You know what I mean? ah I would love for when that happens. That to me is going to be huge. think it's I think it's probably going to be relatively soon. I can see you like a world in which these you know, you upload like character or car or object and it like automatically turns it into a 3d object and then that gets placed in the videos and yeah.

0:27:50Workflow troubleshooting and micro-decision fatigue

Play from 0:28:20 8:88:88 0:28:20 Yeah. That's because that if what Sora can do on this super light version, which is this like it's been pretty damn good on that standpoint. But I think it's like, these are the things, you don't get people, there's so many micro, again, micro decisions on the video side, because everything is so much more complex than images.

Play from 0:28:50 8:88:88 0:28:50 images, like, if I want to show the character, I transfer the character now. Now it's easy. Now it's done in two seconds. But the video generators still need to like, create a bunch of stuff. It's no like locking a character or a product or an environment. Like it'll change because it's making stuff up. So it's like, need those little like micro decisions in there to get it. And if I showed you like how it actually, would, for anyone who's like a designer or has like done this stuff before, like for that, that specific shot, like I, I was troubleshooting a lot on it.

Play from 0:29:25 8:88:88 0:29:25 Um, Actually, maybe I'll just I'll show you the workflow and we because I have it just like sort of where the mind was going. I think it's like useful just to see this stuff because there's like this is the stuff you encounter all the time with AI video. At least I do. I'm trying to get this last portion over here. Where is it? So.

Play from 0:29:50 8:88:88 0:29:50 Where are we? All right. So I had this shot, right? And I'm like, wanted this thing to first off, the dirt jump is over here to the left. Don't want that. That's not, that's not where it was when we went over the lip. Right. So I wanted it to be in the middle. So I had to change it, center it to the middle. Right. And then it's like, Oh, well, the car is different now. That's not the car that we've been using in every single shot. So it's like, how do we, how do we go back and sort of edit that?

Play from 0:30:17 8:88:88 0:30:17 Right. So then we're using. you know, painter here to sort of edit this, take the look of the car and then apply it. And it's like, okay, it's not one-to-one, but close enough, right? Then from here, it's like, okay, well, this isn't going to give me exactly what I want. I need a bigger field of view because I ran it in Luma, didn't get me what I wanted. So I was like, all right, let's zoom out, right? Zoom out, give it a little bit more wider depth of field. And then I was like, you know what? This isn't working.

Play from 0:30:42 8:88:88 0:30:42 Like I can't get the car to land, skid into the camera and then drive away. So I was like, let's remove the car. Let's get rid of it totally. And then let's add it back in as skidding in front of the camera. Like, so adding this car back in saying, you know, what's, where's the prompt here? Place the car in the second image drifting towards the camera wheel spinning, dirt flying real recorder panel visible. Right. So that it's like, okay, that's good. That one didn't work.

Play from 0:31:08 8:88:88 0:31:08 So it was like, damn it. Let's, let's zoom in, right? Like let's zoom in on the tire. So that's the key frame. Right. And then that that ends up being how I get the shot that goes from this to here to this. So it's like key frame one, key frame two. And I was like, all right, this is where it ended. Then it was extend to get to add the next key frame. So it's not as straightforward as it seems all the time.

Play from 0:31:34 8:88:88 0:31:34 And people, think that's sort of like with AI video where it's like, there's got to be processes and things that you do in prompts. It's like, it's not, it's like tinkering a lot of the time to get there. There's you've got the extra steps. This reminds me of like that moment where it was like early on in the Midjourney days where, you know, you can do stuff, but we've got limited time and limited generations where it's like, you got to have, you got to go through five extra steps that probably you aren't going to have to go through in six months to a year, but you have to go through them right now.

Play from 0:32:05 8:88:88 0:32:05 You know, and I think part of it's good like to experience the pain of it. Cause you're just like, you have to think critically. It is a little bit of a strain on the brain to think about some of these things. like, shit, how would I? So I think that part of it's good. ah But just from an efficiency standpoint, scaling things out, doing things faster, worrying less about every little thing that you create is now a problem area that you have to double check.

Play from 0:32:34 8:88:88 0:32:34 I think, man, that will be huge. uh The other thing with that shot, I just feel like it's a great use in troubleshooting was that like I couldn't when the car would turn, it would never be consistent in terms of the paint job and the colors would always change the top like the rims, it would always change like everything. So I changed the prompt to be like focus in on the axle hitting the ground and like in slow motion so that it didn't look at the car. You know what mean? It's like, it's like little filmmaking sort of like edits there so you don't notice it so that when it jumps to the keyframe of the tire, it's like, It's like the same car, obviously.

Play from 0:33:08 8:88:88 0:33:08 It's like little things. You know, there's no way to make that a process that that's just standard sort of like troubleshooting, I guess, in that sense. But did it? I don't I don't know if we're to have to troubleshoot anymore. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's all going to change in the next three months. And you got a bunch of other tools that are probably going to come out in succession. I'm excited to see what chat GBT does with their next image model.

Play from 0:33:35 8:88:88 0:33:35 because the last one was really damn good. It's just slow. It's just slow in the green and yellow. no one's no one's going to wait two plus minutes for a single image and uh certainly not for the soft warm. green and yellow. that I can't just, you you can't avoid. So yeah, me too. I think that's coming too.

Play from 0:34:01 8:88:88 0:34:01 I think that's coming soon. I think that's coming before end of the year. That's coming probably in the next month or two. Because they weren't that far behind when Gemini 2.0 released. That was back in March, because I was the March beginning of April, because I was in Belgium. I remember that. Now I'm going back this week. it was that when I was there and I was like, what is going on here? And then they were like right after.

Play from 0:34:28 8:88:88 0:34:28 it was it's like you see the timeline start to line up, right? Like, it's funny how this works. Like, like runway Gen five will probably be out. pretty soon just guessing because of like the way that it's always Luma's first, like in the, those, in that pack race, right? It's like Luma goes first on the dev cycle. Then runways typically like two weeks after then it's like, you know, runway has been quiet for a while. So yeah.

0:34:50Too many tools? Runway, Aleph, and the Weavy advantage

Play from 0:34:56 8:88:88 0:34:56 I think I haven't even played with Aleph that much. Is it Aleph? Aleph? Aleph? I mean, I think like there's a lot of, there's, there's, that's where there's just too many tools. There are too many tools right now. It's hard to be, it's hard to find the time to be really great at all of them, you know? And I don't think you need to be, I think.

Play from 0:35:21 8:88:88 0:35:21 um we're getting to an area where those things are going to start to collide very soon. They still do kind of all have their own areas where they're good, but I think we're going to have to. There's still a lot more of these sort of tools out there than there needs to be, and they're not all going to survive. Well, you start to see it. You start to see the companies that it feels like they're falling behind.

0:35:45Shout-out to Weavy + tool consolidation predictions

Play from 0:35:46 8:88:88 0:35:46 It feels like, I don't know. It's just whatever. mean, you see some of the tools, like I thought Higgs Field was falling behind with their video model and then they made a pivot. They were just like, screw it, we're gonna aggregate. And then Higgs Field has started to, because they can market, right? Like Higgs Field can market. And like that's a skill. Yeah. group. it's smart. I saw they did a paid sponsored post on WorldStar the other day and it was like Higgs field acquires model and turns off the sensors.

0:36:00Higgsfield pivots, Pika memes, and the marketing gap

Play from 0:36:18 8:88:88 0:36:18 It's like oops. And like and I saw it on WorldStar that's sponsored. I was like, all right, this is some guerrilla stuff now you're sponsoring posts on WorldStar. No other AI tool is doing that. And Yeah, they're definitely, they've got their own brand identity for sure. Yeah, and it's actually like I don't know if you've played around with soul at all. It's pretty good. Like I like it. I don't like their video models, but I like Higgs Field salty image model.

Play from 0:36:46 8:88:88 0:36:46 It's relatively creative. It has good color. It's nice. And, know, it's got really good texture in there. It's like it's like Midjourney. And then there's like Reven Higgs Field, like a rev or read whatever you want to call it. Or like right there underneath. Yeah. By who? Perplexity. Oh, interesting play, perplexity.

0:37:00Visual Electric’s acquisition and the coming consolidation wave

Play from 0:37:12 8:88:88 0:37:12 Yeah, yeah, that just happened a couple days ago. And like would be happening, right? This acquisition stuff feels like it should have been happening sooner. was, I think that it's just like this is gonna keep happening. And Visual Electric was always good. I always loved Visual Electric. I thought they made it really easy. It was a very lightweight tool. didn't use it a ton, but like it was also a great place to go for inspiration.

Play from 0:37:37 8:88:88 0:37:37 Like you saw really high quality images be created there. uh The prompt coherence was a little bit different than something like a Midjourney, but the quality I thought was always right up there. with Midjourney, not as creative as Midjourney, but quality-wise. Well, that's what we're missing with a lot of this stuff. That's why this Sora thing feels so much like Midjourney to me, where it's like, put something in, get something good out. You don't have to be a technical specialist to get something, which that was what always made Midjourney good.

Play from 0:38:08 8:88:88 0:38:08 The ease of use and the quality of output for whatever skill level you are. And made it fun, which would they... Did Midjourney say they were doing a social app a while ago or thinking about doing social profiles? Am I missing that? weren't talking about an app, but they were talking about profiles. um Maybe this is good time to kind of switch over to them. We could kind of focus on them really quick.

0:38:20Midjourney updates: Style Explorer, Smart Search, and new unlocks

Play from 0:38:34 8:88:88 0:38:34 they did, I mean, there's nothing been major major since Style Explorer, which was coincidentally enough the last time that we talked, it was episode 50. We had a lar on, we went deep, we talked about some things. ah That was kind of like what they led with last office hours. I think I joined a few minutes late, but uh I caught most of this. Style Explorer, I mean, there are some things that have changed ah since they launched it.

Play from 0:39:02 8:88:88 0:39:02 So they're adding more more styles. You we obviously had that one nice little unlock with the hidden search, you know, the smart search thing, which people love that. ah But now sort of, think like the unlock here, in case you're not aware with it, is now really you can uh refine this. So like I could just type in the color red and I'm going to get a bunch of red style refs.

Play from 0:39:28 8:88:88 0:39:28 I could take it further. I could take I could do red illustration. Right and now I'm going to get route red illustration. So now this becomes much more interactive, right? You're not so relying on. Oh, what do I see here in this? You know the explore page? Do I like anything which is cool like I don't think there would have been anything wrong with that, but now you could really be more proactive with just finding exactly what. looking for. So I mean the smart search thing is cool I think again from like a different exploration style you like a certain look, feel, general, generalization maybe you don't even know how to describe it kind of way whereas this gives you sort of like a little bit more of that juice to just like go in and say okay I just want something let's start with like just orange right and then you know blah blah blah so

Play from 0:40:14 8:88:88 0:40:14 like that one right at the top right that was like a nice like soft weird you know bumpy textures Let's see, do I have, ah I don't really want to create that with that, but let's do, give me something. Uhhhh Period. Have you ever tried that? Yeah, but it's been a long time. Let's run a bunch of EXP on this, too.

0:40:30Playing with EXP mode + hidden color/style refinements

Play from 0:40:42 8:88:88 0:40:42 Just curious to what pops up if we do that. Also, they did mention somebody asked if EXP is going to be on V8, and David was unsure. He wasn't. I don't know. Maybe. It's like, bruh, EXP is. The juice, that's literally, I uh use EXP all the time. We talked about this on the episode with Marco, like think that was episode 49.

Play from 0:41:09 8:88:88 0:41:09 was just like, just a little bit and you just get completely different results. I, almost every time a little bit of the EXP beats none, you know? um Yeah, these are really cool. Texture's awesome. Like this would be a stacking piece for me. Like I would like this, use this one as a, as a stack with other things too, cause it's, it obviously looks like it has a very close up macro texture, bumpy, like smooth at the same time, like porcelain almost.

Play from 0:41:40 8:88:88 0:41:40 That's cool. and then I want you know, like Same, right? So like, again, if you don't like, if you do not explain that and maybe you don't want just orange, right? Now you kind of, again, get tossed into a category of other things that you might like here, like super textural focused. tactile. Yeah. is like the best thing that's happened to the explore page in a long time.

Play from 0:42:07 8:88:88 0:42:07 Yeah, I mean, this is awesome, man. I don't know that there's anything else you could ask for in terms of the Explorer page. don't know about the profile thing though, going back to that you mentioned that. I don't see that in. I don't think I saw that. Okay, there does it. But no update on timeline. wonder how that'll work. of an update in seven.

0:42:30Style Finder, Style Creator, and mood-board personalization

Play from 0:42:32 8:88:88 0:42:32 That's personalization. They did talked about personalization for more nuanced control That'd be great tired of my personalization. We all know that Yeah, there's not I mean there's not a there's not a lot outside of the style they did mention style finder in progress So, you know this part I think uh style creator is Maybe what I'm thinking about So you can create your own new styles.

Play from 0:43:05 8:88:88 0:43:05 And this is not out yet, but this is something that they were talking about. I could see that one being a real fun addition, like playing, I don't know how the David hates dropdowns. So I don't know how they do it, but maybe it's just like, if you create an image and just saying like create a style code out of it, like that's basically that feels like how they do something like that. Maybe cause that could be. some, maybe in the back end there's some connection to mood boards too, in a sense.

Play from 0:43:33 8:88:88 0:43:33 Yeah, something. I still love mood boards. I use them all the time. That's like my style codes. I haven't been using mood boards lately, but. I actually went on to rank images on my personalization code the other day, which I haven't done in a long time. I just like wasn't vibing with it as of recent. I was like, you know what? This needs to change. you know what they were doing though?

0:43:57Style ranking feature + --r 40 nostalgia meltdown

Play from 0:43:58 8:88:88 0:43:58 They did have a style ranking thing going on too. um Let me dive into this. like a ranking party kind of thing. Yes. Here it is. We're doing a ranking part for styles. Tell us which one you like better. I haven't opened this up.

Play from 0:44:24 8:88:88 0:44:24 So then, yeah, it's just a ranking system. Which one do I like better? I don't really care for the like one. interesting. can just like it and then save it if you want to just like flip through a bunch of styles. Also a very, I'm glad that you noticed that. They did mention that too. And I think that's extremely helpful. Like that's smart. um But this is interesting. Cause also there's a lot of, I don't need 5 billion style codes when 3 billion of them suck.

Play from 0:44:57 8:88:88 0:44:57 You know what I mean? uh So I think like if this helps curate, and we just get to better and better styles too, that's amazing. And I don't have to run R40 to find him. God, man, the good old days of R40, SRF random R40. Oh, boy. please. I mean, like that was just like, and then I there was nothing worse than when I do it. And I pushed like up and put our 40.

Play from 0:45:23 8:88:88 0:45:23 And then it would just give me like the same style code 4040 runs because I didn't change it to s referendum. Just be like, No. Yeah, did that so many times. Try to frantically cancel all them cancel, cancel, cancel, cancel, no, no, no, no, no. when you cancel some and then they still generate anyway. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah. It's like, no, you didn't cancel it before 50%.

Play from 0:45:51 8:88:88 0:45:51 So we're going to go ahead and follow. This is I'm like I'm curious what did they did they say anything in the office hours about V8 like if anything like what they were focusing on I know they've just been kind of teasing it, but they haven't been saying much that's a great question. I, I don't think I caught anything other than just the point of that. They were talking about whether this is something we'd see in 2025, which basically David was saying, yeah, we're aiming for 2025.

0:46:00Midjourney V8 speculation & dataset rumors

Play from 0:46:18 8:88:88 0:46:18 Obviously, like if I had to predict, you know, this is going to bump up against the holidays, we're going to run to this, you know, similar situation where we're like, you know, do we push this before the end of the year? Do we go into next year? So they did say something like, um, expect in 25 possibly right next year. Beyond that though, They just said this, right? Like there's nothing really new here. um Better quality, better coherence, better personal. I mean, that's kind of the same stuff they've been saying.

Play from 0:46:45 8:88:88 0:46:45 I'll go back to, you know, some of the things that they've said in the past and you and I have talked about, which is they were really hyped, really hyped about V8, you know, in terms of like their initial things that they were scoping out for it, uh data sets or whatever they do over there to get a grasp on. the potential of it. They're really excited about it. um I would imagine they got to get this consistent character object reference thing down.

Play from 0:47:16 8:88:88 0:47:16 Not even just better. It needs to be down by the time that they launch this now. Because somebody else is already going to do it. I mean, we're already really, really close. I would say there's still a little bit of room there. It's not perfect. It's not perfect anywhere yet. But there's your opportunity. It needs to at least be at that level. Otherwise, why do I even, I'm not gonna use it there. I mean, it's do you have nano that can do it?

Play from 0:47:44 8:88:88 0:47:44 You have seed edit that can do it. You have runway references. You have a Reeve edit now can do it. You have Chad GPT image that can do it. You have flux context that can do it. It's like, I know it's not a priority for them, but everyone wants it. Yeah. It feels like if, if any of those companies can just do it like this, they can, they can obviously do it, but I don't know why they're just not prioritizing it. It doesn't seem like they are.

Play from 0:48:11 8:88:88 0:48:11 But the, the dataset thing is interesting because I'm pretty sure if we go back in time, like I think David said that the V7 was still trained on the V6 dataset. So like, if they're overhauling that, that's probably pretty important. Um, I don't know if there was anything with, with Meta there that could be, uh, I don't know if there's anything that was in that Meta partnership sort of announcement that said there was something about, you know, data sharing or things like that.

Play from 0:48:37 8:88:88 0:48:37 Cause if they got, if they had access to Meta stuff, that'd be of that's, I don't think any of that's been publicly released. We don't even know. No, we don't know. It's just a guess. If I was trying to get a data set, that's probably one I'd want. Do you remember when Meta came out with that first image model? Do you remember that? It was like a fart in the wind. It was gone here. It was here today, gone tomorrow. uh Crazy is meta lets you their stuff for free and like people only use it.

Play from 0:49:06 8:88:88 0:49:06 You know what mean? like you can generate images in Instagram for free. You can generate it on the Metai app for free. And like, it's just like, it doesn't get any hype, which is so weird that it's just like, we are clamoring over to pay for things. That's why I think that uh was a really interesting thing to see come together. Facebook and Meta from that side, God, I want to call it Facebook.

Play from 0:49:31 8:88:88 0:49:31 But Meta from that side, it's just. feel like there's just not a lot of great brand equity when it comes to these new things, even just with threads, right? That was a real sort of thing where you're just like, okay, this feels like the first big social app in a long time, right? And then it was just like, it was gone. was like a week went by and it was just, it's over.

Play from 0:50:00 8:88:88 0:50:00 And so Midjourney does have this really... I would say loyal for the most part, base and good brand equity for the most part with the people that are in there every day. would, you know, interested to see what they do with that. Yeah. No, number of ways. mean, I think mid, Midjourney wants to keep up with anything. Like at certain point, like it's, I think it's valid to start having the conversation.

Play from 0:50:28 8:88:88 0:50:28 Like it's going to be really hard for like private models to keep up. You can't match the data sets of anyone else. You just can't. So I don't know. You know what, that did come up though in the offsite. I did hear something about David saying the data set, you know, from his perspective wasn't good. And so he's really excited, you know, and I hadn't really heard him say that before.

0:50:30Google’s product chaos: Gemini, Nano Banana, Flow, and Veo 3

Play from 0:50:55 8:88:88 0:50:55 So I don't know, just kind of was like one of those things that made my ears perk up. It's just like, how are you going to, how are you going to compete? Like, how does anyone compete with Google? just think about it. It's like they have access to so much and it's, like, they're just, they can just build in very like methodical way. And it's like they, Google can fail like a product sucks, whatever shelf. doesn't matter dropping the bucket, like onto the next one.

Play from 0:51:22 8:88:88 0:51:22 You know, like tools, like I feel like Midjourney and runway, like can't fail because you know, they're It's like their whole thing and if they waste place though. They need a home, they need a... product renaming strategy. there, just like, I can use, you know, Nano Banana in a million places, but why am I not using it on Google directly?

Play from 0:51:51 8:88:88 0:51:51 You know, and I may, maybe they, maybe they don't care about that so much, but like I would, I would, I would really kind of care about that. I would also want to know why a lot of people don't even know Nano Banana is Gemini, you know, Google Gemini 2.5, right? It's like, Why are those two different things? You know what I mean? Why do we have two names for the same thing? And then you got flow, and then what is flow and whisk? we got Veo 3, all these things, image gen.

Play from 0:52:19 8:88:88 0:52:19 OK, we got an image generator, but we got Nano Banana. What are we doing? What are we doing? You know what I mean? It's just that part of it, to me, is a problem for them. But you're right. We were here a year ago, and we were just like, yo, what is Google doing? Remember that was like a year ago and there like there was like really nothing. I think they were still doing Bard at that time. You know what mean? Like there was nothing. god, they just they were like an alligator like sitting underneath the water, you know, just like waiting like what does everyone like?

Play from 0:52:49 8:88:88 0:52:49 We're developable, you know, we'll wait and then I don't even know if there was a vo1. It just was vo2 It's like I don't remember if there was or not But you know, there was they waited they waited they waited they waited then they released and it was a banger, you know And they they just sit there and wait and survey and then it was you know image FX or whatever the hell that platform was and they switched it's like now it's flow it's like okay what happened to image effects or video effects you here.

0:53:00Why Google can fail (and still win)

Play from 0:53:19 8:88:88 0:53:19 So kind of going back to this office hours as I'm reading this last point here, VO2 model plan post V8, which they've talked about. Let's visit this for a second. Okay. Knowing what we know right now, mean, things can change. The earliest we would see this is three months from now, the earliest. But that said, what would you hope this brings to the table for a V2 video model inside of Mid-Journey?

Play from 0:53:54 8:88:88 0:53:54 Is there a certain other tool that you hope it leans more? to be like in certain ways? Are there certain features you would hope to have? what would make you... run the hell out of Mid Journeys V2 video model. What would they need to have in order for you to use that as your primary video, your daily driver with video?

Play from 0:54:24 8:88:88 0:54:24 unpopular opinion, but I kind of want it to be like Sora right now. Yeah, I would want it to be like Sora because for Midjourney, some of the a lot of things I just want to do it for fun. Like, I just wanted to be fun. And I want it to be like entertaining. And I just you know, there's so many professional uses for this stuff. But like for this one specifically, like I just sort of wanted to. And I think their idea of what this is going to be is going to change.

Play from 0:54:53 8:88:88 0:54:53 Like whatever they think it is right now, wait until these next couple tools come out and they're going to be like, why even waste our time with doing some of this stuff? You know, like they obviously have to add sound, obviously. How do you think they ideate what this video model's gonna be? think they're just trying to get feedback. is there how would you like if you you and me were in charge of Midjourney and we're like, okay, we need to do a V2 video model.

0:55:10ChatGPT’s image text features & the next AI video wave

Play from 0:55:23 8:88:88 0:55:23 What would we do to get to feel like we're headed in the right direction there? Like are we just purely going off of things that we're seeing and hearing? I don't feel like Midjourney hasn't done anything survey related with video. ah You know, like where where are you getting? this and I would assume like you're probably aggregating data and research somewhere but like I don't know are there breadcrumbs and signals to see where things are going besides just gut and intuition and things that we're seeing like do they have access to know what Luma is planning on doing next or you know Google's planning on doing that you know like I just don't know

Play from 0:56:08 8:88:88 0:56:08 what happens behind the scenes, and I'm just curious about that. Like, how they go about that. Like, to your point, that thing could be very fluid. So it's like, you wouldn't necessarily want to spend all day in a boardroom, hypothetically on a whiteboard, and then come to a conclusion on something, and then a month later, that's going to change. That's why it's like when ChatGPT had text, was like we didn't know we wanted text until we had it.

Play from 0:56:34 8:88:88 0:56:34 Do you know what I mean? Like I was never like Midjourney needs text. It's like, don't care. I don't need it for text. And then when you can do it on another platform. Yeah, I love it for certain things. uh Like I like making like memes and shit now with this stuff. And it's actually like really funny. But the...

Play from 0:57:05 8:88:88 0:57:05 Yeah, so to me, I don't need like a ton of stuff from Midjourney currently, but I also think like, what is the long-term vision of theirs? And then we can start to sort of reverse engineer that. I think they want to be like immersive 3D or 4D worlds, right? So you're going to have to have all this stuff. You're to have to have character consistency, dialogue, sound, ambient sound, at least at a minimum.

Play from 0:57:31 8:88:88 0:57:31 You're to have to have interactions, changing camera controls around within it. So image, video editing, things like that. I feel like every step is building towards having this immersive world. So it's like, what do you need? These are the things, right? it. Also, that's maybe where this comes into play with these things that are wild cards, which would be the secret projects. um Because this feels very far away, but I think the opportunity is to engage, you know, like obviously audio, but to engage more senses, touch, smell.

Play from 0:58:10 8:88:88 0:58:10 Those things aren't possible anywhere right now, but they will be at some point. When you're talking about like an immersive world, something you can step into and feel like you're a part of, you would need tactile touch. You would need to be able to smell something for things to be immersive. And I think like that would be interesting. That's a whole nother thing, right? Like when we're talking about. Brands doing something different.

Play from 0:58:36 8:88:88 0:58:36 Like, could you imagine being able to smell something that you've never tasted before and decide whether or not you want to buy it? You know what I mean? you know, just super interesting, man. I wonder if like there's a part of that because they did, they were talking about wearables. They're talking about, you know, like, but we don't know anything else. You know, is it, is it something like that? imagine like a hotel that's like if I like a good marketing, like a good like marketing play, it's like, oh, I'm going to put on my VR headset and go sit on the front, you know, the the front patio of like some hotel in, know, Bora Bora or whatever.

Play from 0:59:12 8:88:88 0:59:12 And just like immersively live in it for a minute. I'd be like, yeah, I want to go there. It's like I'm like feeling everything, seeing it, smelling it. like, yep. Yeah. gonna change the travel industry? Yeah, it's a marketing play, right? put yourself on the, at the poolside of this hotel that you're thinking about versus a poolside at somewhere else you're thinking about staying. Yeah. Might make things in real life better.

0:59:30The Weavy renaissance and workflow automation discussion

Play from 0:59:37 8:88:88 0:59:37 Might be like, we can't hide this stuff anymore. It's real now. People can see it. It's not like a surprise. Will that take away from it though? Like I'm always like a big, like I don't want to know. Yeah, like spontaneity to a degree. Maybe we're opening something big here, but does spontaneity become far more rare? And I think that is something that I've not heard anybody talk about, but I think is absolutely up for grabs in terms of stealing that away from us.

Play from 1:00:08 8:88:88 1:00:08 ah If everything can be predictable to some degree, or you've got now this ability to immerse yourself in situations you never would have been able to before, yeah, significantly. And you're right. Like, what if you like spontaneity? What if you like impulsiveness? What if you like unpredictability? It's coming for you. ah That would suck, actually, in some ways. like when I travel, I like to just like put me out on the street and figure it out.

Play from 1:00:36 8:88:88 1:00:36 Like I don't want to know. I want to like find. degree, right? Like there's this element of just being in the moment, right? Like going back to that sort of like being in the present. How are you in the present um if you know everything or you have a good enough idea how things are gonna take shape? Yeah, I mean, you always feel better. Like, especially when you're doing something like that, right? When it's like, if you had a schedule, and it was like, we have to be here, and then we're gonna go here for lunch, then after lunch, we're gonna do this, and then that that that that that, then it's like, if you don't adhere to the schedule, you feel like disappointed.

Play from 1:01:06 8:88:88 1:01:06 Yeah. But if you go and find like, I'm walking on the street, and I found like a little bakery that's got some like fire looking croissants, and I go in there, I'm like, I'll remember that place. That was awesome. I felt really good about that. Expectations exceeded. Yeah. want to see versus having six places that you have to see on Tuesday before 3 p.m. And if you don't do it, you're going to be crushed, you know, like. then it's like, then the rush takes it and then it's like, then I'm just at work.

Play from 1:01:33 8:88:88 1:01:33 Now I'm just like on a clock, like is why, but I hope it doesn't get like this. I hope it's not everything is so that's that's the one thing is like, feels someone said this in the group chat the other day, that it's like, I miss when AI video was hard. And it was like, you know what, I do miss when like Midjourney was a little bit harder to crack it, it felt like a little bit of a journey. You know, like, were, you know, like, remember when we were talking about camera angles and uh photography types and it was like, no one's doing this, you know?

1:02:00New creative problems worth solving

Play from 1:02:06 8:88:88 1:02:06 But this is how you get the realism results right now. You like you had to do it. So was like this little, you know, sort of like secret nugget. I still, yeah, it feels very nostalgic now. It does and it's it's that's what I'm hoping doesn't happen to where like the craft is so minimized to where it's like not fun anymore. If that makes sense. yeah, I do because, know, I haven't really seen it yet to the level it will be, but it's like you go on, I don't know, something like LinkedIn, you'll see somebody that is not an AI image creator and now they have the ability to create something in chat GBT and they're posting AI image stuff style.

Play from 1:02:51 8:88:88 1:02:51 And it's just like, but you didn't go through crawling through the mud and climbing the walls and like, you know, rounding. the blocks five times, turning back around and having to cut through an alley. You didn't do all that. And now you can. And you don't have to do it. And the ChatGBT stuff, think, obviously, again, like current example, most of the people that do it well are not those people.

Play from 1:03:17 8:88:88 1:03:17 But I think by this next real flip of the switch, whether that's the next ChatGBT image model, it will be. Yeah, that part of it kind of stings a little bit, you know? Yeah, it's like if you're playing basketball and you make every shot, it's like, it fun anymore if you don't miss? know, like, it's like, I don't, I don't know, I don't want to go fishing and catch a fish on every cast. That's boring. I just know the outcome, right? It's like.

Play from 1:03:43 8:88:88 1:03:43 play Madden on rookie mode when you're a good player. Yeah, I could run for 400 yards and pad my stats. I think by the time I got to the third or fourth game in my season, I'd be pretty like, what am I doing? You know what I mean? You need some adversity, you need some challenge. Yeah, it's, it's, I hope. I'm not hoping for things to just stay the way they are. They're not going to stay the way they are.

Play from 1:04:09 8:88:88 1:04:09 I just hope there's something like new that's still like the the horizon to unlock where it's like, what else can I have to go figure out? Like the Weeby stuff was like, perfect. You know, it's like, I like this now because this is like a whole new set of problems that I can try to figure out. Like, how do we do batch processing? What kind of things can we solve? do an episode, we were talking about that, we should do an episode maybe focused on sort of more of that workflow process style for folks, people love it.

Play from 1:04:38 8:88:88 1:04:38 Weevy's been a great tool for you. You sort of like really kind of introduced me to it and then I've had fun with it. I do think like the scalability and repeatability of that kind of stuff is gonna be really, really important here in the short term until there's a better way. But at least for the foreseeable future, that's the better way. Great to just see everything. That's really why I like it's all in one. I just like looking at it.

Play from 1:05:06 8:88:88 1:05:06 Instead of like going between tabs and like going to my downloads folder and like it's like, all there. You you you guys should really see what one of these, you know, episode thumbnail workspaces look like for it's chaos. There's no organization. It's just pure like, wow, what is his brain on right now? But it's, it's with some Jabba the Hut, Princess Leia stuff for this next cover.

Play from 1:05:33 8:88:88 1:05:33 Might have to. Don't. We've been going ridiculous lately. Wrap it up. Feel pretty good. I think, you know, like we wanted to, it's been a few weeks, so we wanted to kind of like touch on a few different areas. I think a lot's changed, a lot hasn't changed. I think even next week we'll see something, something's gonna, something else is gonna be unlocked here in the next week. I think too, when people are going further into Sora.

1:06:00Why “easy” AI creation still stings for creatives

Play from 1:06:00 8:88:88 1:06:00 For example, we're also gonna see other things, right? There's that moment where things get released and then there's also that moment where you start to see all these different use cases or uh tweaks or things that maybe you didn't think of the first time around, right? That I think is like the second wave of excitement that I always look forward to too. So we'll touch on that and man, it's good to see it's been too long, dude. So yeah, it's gonna be back.

Play from 1:06:26 8:88:88 1:06:26 We'll get back. I'm done traveling after next week for a little bit, which is good. I'm tired of being out of my apartment for all this time. I need to be home. But the other thing is, because you guys haven't heard this in a month, damn it, like and subscribe. That's it. That's all we're asking for. Not that hard. Just hit a button. Hit a button. We forgot. We were too out of practice. hit the button, show us some love guys. Thanks for, thanks for being patient with us.

Play from 1:06:52 8:88:88 1:06:52 Thanks for coming and we'll see you guys in the next one. Have a great weekend.