Ep. 43: Midjourney Lawsuit, Video Leaks, and New --SRef System

0:00:00The Lawsuit Heard ‘Round the AI World

Play from 0:00:01 8:88:88 0:00:01 What's up, Midjourney Nerds? Midjourney Fast Hours Podcast, episode 43. We're sitting here and we're talking about lawsuits. We're talking about video. We're talking about SREF updates. We're talking about anything and everything that's going on right now in AI video and AI image gen. And there's a lot there's a lot here. There's a lot. Um, so Disney and Universal just going ham right out the gate. Well, I mean it's it feels like this is such a lawyer strategy like this is just my own opinion. It feels like, oh, you know, doesn't matter that there's, and this is me, you know what? This is me standing up for Midjourney because there's a thousand,

Play from 0:00:47 8:88:88 0:00:47 maybe thousands. And back up real quick, too, Rory, for those that aren't familiar. Mid or Midjourney is being sued by Universal and Disney for copyright infringement specifically on like Star Wars characters and a few other characters. Yes. Like maybe Simpsons or something. I saw maybe too. Simpsons. Yeah. Now, that being said, how many of those Stormtrooper vlog style videos have you seen on the internet that are being made by Google, right? How, you know, how much did we see with uh with ChatGPT right out of the gate, which was mimicking every style, every character doing everything you could possibly imagine? just feels like Midjourney is the non, you know, is a privately funded sort of like cash beast that they are, not tied up with

Play from 0:01:35 8:88:88 0:01:35 multi, you know, national conglomerates that would probably be a, you know, [ __ ] to sort of get in there and do anything legally to them. So, kind of feels like a legal strategy, but I don't know what the endgame is. I don't know what they're trying to do. Are they trying to get a piece of Midjourney? Is that like their way of developing tech is to sue to acquire? Like, I don't know. It sounds like something that might be, you know, something for them. Not like Disney's done anything original in the last 25 years. So, AIP. Yeah.

Play from 0:02:04 8:88:88 0:02:04 It's just like it's it seems seems like a tactic and a strategy. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't seem like it's like whatever you're reading as the headline. It's it's not as straightforward as that, right? No. But it is the first time that you've got like a major Hollywood studio, you know, taking Gen AI to court over image based copyright. Um I was reading through the like the initial article which I think was on New York Times maybe but it was times you know it was basically you know it was saying too that that they had actually I think sent a cease and desist to Midjourney a while back too and it was basically like Midjourney confirmed that they received it but they

0:02:15Disney, Universal, and a Legal Strategy Smelling Fishy

Play from 0:02:50 8:88:88 0:02:50 never responded to it. Um but I yeah it's like the the curveball here is right like Midjourney is not funded so I don't know like and I'm this isn't my domain of expertise but it's just like damn like that maybe ties up money cash rich I mean like it's a way liquidity you know like does it slow them down having to do something like this so that's interesting um I mean why would they try to take on Google like that would just be you know Google's bigger than them yeah like why would they try The chat GBT is probably bigger than OpenAI is probably bigger than them right now. Also, actually, I don't know. I take that back. But like it just it just seems like the perfect target for it. And I you know, I'm not I

Play from 0:03:35 8:88:88 0:03:35 don't like these corporate sort of games that get played like this. So, this is me maybe not being or maybe I'm being biased, but you know where it comes from. And also, I don't know if it coincides with the the video update, like now that you can generate characters from their stuff and then generate video. So, you know, I I don't understand what the I've never really understood as as if it's like IP infringement. This is where there's always that gray area, right? Like, is it infringement? Who's using it and for what purpose? Like, and I was going to say like who who's making money off of turning somebody into a Simpson at this point, right? Like you you've democratized it. I get I get the ownership of it, but it's not like people are going out here and like

Play from 0:04:20 8:88:88 0:04:20 completely having a field day with with whatever spot, you know? It's kind of like that Studio Giblly stuff. Remember, it was like talked about for two days and it's gone. No one gives a [ __ ] anymore, you know? So, it's just Yeah. I don't know, man. I mean, you knew something like this would happen eventually. It's just kind of like it was quiet for so long. I guess I don't know, man. And what I it's interesting to hear I guess how this will move forward. I do think there will be some sort of precedent that will come out of this though. Yeah. You know because there really hasn't been anything else.

Play from 0:04:54 8:88:88 0:04:54 I mean the last thing you heard about was man. Maybe it was like that it was Japan kind of making a statement on it. There was one other thing that happened um in between. It could have the strien effect too. It could go the opposite way, you know, like as as things seem to do because people rebel against Disney. They've been rebelling against Disney for a lot of things, not not just, you know, IP infringement that, you know, it could it could boost Midjourney in a way in a sense. Um, you know, I saw a bunch of people posting posting I don't know if it helps their case like on on X and stuff yesterday, just like a bunch of dark and stuff cuz they're trolls, of course, you know. Yeah. Um, but it's it's interesting like the one thing that

0:05:00Fan Art, Fair Use, and the Star Wars Double Standard

Play from 0:05:41 8:88:88 0:05:41 I I have a so I have a friend that is a massive Star Wars fan. Like you know Star Wars is like secondary is like secondary in his thought process to just about everything else that goes on in his life. Watches all the fan art like knows like knows some of the fan art creators really well and like follows them, you know, really religiously. And he was saying that this is something that they they only cherrypick like certain people like other people can do it no matter like for as long as they want and then other people they sort of like be like oh we're going to take you a target on. Yeah. And it's it's interesting because they've always been like the the Star Wars community if I'm reading into this correctly has always been like hire these people. They tell stories better than the people that are telling stories now. Like they find like the niche cool story in Star Wars. They

Play from 0:06:28 8:88:88 0:06:28 take it and do it. And everyone's like, "We want we want that." And then you Disney doesn't take like that as advice. Like, why would you not, you know, like, "Oh, here's your proof of concept on YouTube. 700 million views, right?" Like, why would you not do that? Like, don't just recycle, you know, The Force Awakens as the same story as like the original Star Wars, right? It's like they they just they never think originally and they only can recycle things now because they have to be safe.

Play from 0:06:59 8:88:88 0:06:59 But it's just I don't know, man. I And who is the best like I mean there are so many little nuances with something like this, right? It's like even if you have cuz cuz yes, you can get things like Darth Vader. You can generate Darth Vader in Midjourney. Of course, that's why it's happening. But it's like at the end of the day, it doesn't have to be like a perfect replica too, you know, for it to kind of fall in that category.

Play from 0:07:29 8:88:88 0:07:29 Otherwise, aren't we just talking about art and like creating, you know, people that could take anything or draw anything? And it's like it's it's your own interpretation of at the end of the day. So this is going back to what it was trained on, but it's, you know, like similar to I mean, look, I think a lot of people don't like this comparison, but it okay, Open AI, all all these LLMs trained on who knows what, right?

Play from 0:07:54 8:88:88 0:07:54 Everything. Genie's out of the [ __ ] bottle with that. Like, I mean, what do what are we doing now? Um, you can't really like go back in time and stuff all that thing that stuff back in. Um, and again it's they're they're creating net new outcomes and like I think like when I think about images and video and stuff too, it's like who owns a pixel, you know, you're going to go down to the pixel level and and you know, like what what does this actually look like? So yes, there needs to be some rules, some guide, some guard rails somewhere somewhere in the sense because like I'm actually surprised too given how much time has gone by that like there hasn't been like this major blow up disruption scenario of like somebody fully taking somebody to the bank with with something

Play from 0:08:40 8:88:88 0:08:40 that they've done. Like it's all just kind of been pretty quiet, you know, in that sense. It's like no one's kind of like been the president of punishment to this point and no one's really done anything wrong in you know in that sense either. So it's just been kind of weird to see this just crop up now. We're talking years later. I mean the interesting thing is like I don't know is this a is this a sign that Disney struggling? Maybe like you don't see Coca-Cola or Nike who are easily the two most generous brands on the planet. They don't see and Coke specifically who's like really leaned into it really. You know why they like it? Because it's just free advertising. Like it's it's just impression value. They people know it's not from them at this point. Like how many Nike spec ads, Nike mockups? I'm

0:08:50Why Midjourney Might Win Even If It Loses

Play from 0:09:26 8:88:88 0:09:26 guilty of doing a million of them. Easy to generate. It's pretty they're pretty good generations. So am I hurting their brand, right? Like am I am I really hurting the brand? But like I see this it's weird because I see it at a different level like from a individual artist side. If you were like, you know, an individual artist that really like made your name on doing a specific style and doing it this way, like I totally get your frustration with AI, like at a corporate level, massive. You have a million things out in the marketplace.

Play from 0:09:55 8:88:88 0:09:55 You bastardize every single margin you possibly can. Like I I don't see how fan art can really be like, you know, ruining your life or like ruining your brand. So, like it's just to me it's it's like a sort of I I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth and I know that, but I feel a little bit differently for the individual artist who has a gripe verse Disney. You know what I mean? And this Disney like how much more money can you possibly have?

Play from 0:10:22 8:88:88 0:10:22 Piracy is piracy, Rory. Yeah. You know, maybe it's the maybe it's the Robin Hood in me, which is why we started this stuff to begin with. I know, right? Right. Like, let's give the small guys a chance versus these big people who just have unlimited funds. So, it's just it just smells fishy to me. It smells tactical. It smells It doesn't smell like they're actually upset with Midjourney. It smells like let's let's sort of like cut them at the right time for the right reason to try and get some sort of piece of whatever they're doing, you know? It just kind of feels like that. Were you I Were you on office hours on Wednesday for about 10 minutes? Okay. Yeah. Same. Brought it up. Same. Cuz Oh, he did? Okay. I was going to ask you. Okay. one qu it was why I tuned in and I got lucky because

Play from 0:11:07 8:88:88 0:11:07 as soon as I tuned in someone asked a question and he David seemed pretty confident that it wasn't a problem. He said he couldn't discuss it of course naturally because of the legal situation but he just didn't sound like he was didn't sound like he was flustered about it. I'm sure this has happened. You This happened with the uh with the New York Times lawsuit, I think. So, there was like, you know, that that New York Time I think they were implemented in I forget if they were included in that with the one with ChatGPT, but that came out as being like a nothing burger.

Play from 0:11:40 8:88:88 0:11:40 Like it's all right. Next, then nothing there. So, it's uh it's interesting, man. I just And this would drag on this would drag on for a while, too. It's not like anything would happen right away. Oh, is that in Did it make LinkedIn top news? I don't know. I don't think so. Let's see. But regardless, I you're going to see you're going to see this wave. I wonder if you know if you see Midjourney go down for this. If you're going to see a lot more of the studios and a lot more of the IP holders go after people, um, that might just start like the cascading effect or this could totally be like the end of it. It's like if it doesn't go through, how are you going to get

Play from 0:12:26 8:88:88 0:12:26 someone? How you going to get them? That's what Yeah, cuz like everything's going to change with these kind of laws anyway. It's a it's only a matter of time because this I mean what we're going through is some it's of massive scale that systemically we're not prepared for from a guard rail regulation standpoint. I think there are so many different variables that enter the mix with AI and historically what you know kind of like copyright means and IP means and all these you know so I I just think like all of that's going to have to evolve. Maybe this feels like also a grasp at trying to take advantage of what you've already set up, you know, from a protection standpoint to try to benefit from it in some way. And like to your point, right, like if this falls

Play from 0:13:13 8:88:88 0:13:13 and then then what else are we doing here, you know? Um yeah, I you can't have a better case honestly than if you're, you know, Universal and Disney right now for, you know, everyone's generating the IP. It's pretty obvious, right? But again, if it fails and it doesn't go through and like they lose, then who else? Like, who else can you get? Because if it's if it's not Midjourney, you know, Google's obviously not getting taken down. Open AI is not getting taken down. OpenAI is in bed with, you know, probably the government at this point. Yeah. Um, so it's like, all right, just [ __ ] let it ride then. Um, which was interesting. thing I saw there was a in the not to get too uh legal and political on this show, but I

0:13:30U.S. Bill Says: “No AI Regulation for 10 Years”

Play from 0:13:59 8:88:88 0:13:59 did see in one of the new bill um the bills that was trying to get passed through Congress that they snuck in in like this one little section amongst like probably like 98 pages of other stuff was like you like at a federal level we're not going to be able to like they don't want to regulate AI for the next 10 years. So it's basically just like do what you want for the next 10 years. And that was uh that was interesting to me where I was just like, "Oh, let's just slide that one right in."

Play from 0:14:25 8:88:88 0:14:25 [ __ ] But yeah, this is was that the whole lawsuit or is that the whole art? Yeah, this the whole thing right here. Interesting. 143 pages. Someone had to I wonder if they wrote that. I wonder if they wrote that with Chad GPT, right? Yeah. Let me just feed this right in there. Definitely checked it with ChatGPT. I'll guarantee that they checked they they did something. Now, there's no way lawyers are not I mean, why would you not utilizing LLM in some way, shape, or form to check because it's because one wrong word screws the whole thing up. True, right? You have to be That's uh it's interesting. But, you know, we are not we are not legal consultants. We do not have a not have a stake in this game. But, so let's let's switch let's switch. Let's switch because because look um that aside,

0:15:00Midjourney Video Is (Almost) Here

Play from 0:15:13 8:88:88 0:15:13 seems like we're getting real close to this Midjourney video. Real close. Yeah. Um closer than I thought even cuz like actually way closer cuz I mean, you know, I was listening to what they said, right? We I I thinking back to it was around the end of June is when like this was being talked about kind of halfway through June. You know, now you've got video ranking available, right? um which allows you to just like any of the the model updates, right, where you can go through and pick a pair. This first round specifically probably won't be very good just going based off of historical context, the way these training things work. Whereas I would imagine the next training one could be could be different, right? That's at

Play from 0:15:59 8:88:88 0:15:59 least that's kind of, you know, even just think back to V7. that first ranking party for V7 was it was was not V7 images whereas the second and third one you're like oh there's definitely something different about these I think that's probably the same thing here so they're going to use this opportunity with the the with the ranking to I guess get some really you know interesting feedback kind of going into the notes here the team is you know pretty pretty high up on this I mean so really fun extremely beautiful Um, no relax mode at launch when this does launch.

Play from 0:16:37 8:88:88 0:16:37 Uh, possible, you know, limitations to early standard members or mega plan users. We talked about that. But, um, yeah. What was your what was your shout out of a cannon initial reaction or first off, how many how many videos did you go through? And then I want to know your initial reaction. I probably haven't been through that many. maybe just like pro I've probably ranked somewhere between 50 and 100. Not not many. Um but again, like I've I'm going in with that context of knowing this probably isn't exactly what I would expect at the end. So with that said, I'm just trying to kind of like take a look at what's here. Um you know, I think like just look looking at things like this, right? Like the way

0:16:45First Reactions to Ranking Party Videos

Play from 0:17:23 8:88:88 0:17:23 this moves. Yeah. Right. and just kind of like piecing together the different kind of like movements that they've got with some of the camera shots. Um, you know, the variability there, the mechanics, um, even just kind of like I guess too when you talk about video, right? Like we're talking about dynamic movement that we haven't experienced with Midjourney before, right? Because we were I think we were just talking about this on the last pod, but you know, when you think about posing and the mechanics, right? Again, I do a lot of like chest up, portrait stuff, so you know, the hands and stuff relatively easy to control, but when you start to factor in all four limbs or you're adding motion to that and they're running or they're doing yoga or

0:18:00Motion vs. Style: Where Midjourney Might Win

Play from 0:18:09 8:88:88 0:18:09 they're, you know, anything where there's a little bit of movement involved, that's where it's just kind of like that inconsistency creeps in. How's that going to affect video? It seems like the things I've seen with the mechanics of the video so far have been pretty good. Um, you know, like hands look pretty good, feet look like better than just the stills, right? So, I guess I'm wondering from like an ecosystem perspective how this affects Midjourney overall and reverse engineering that into the stills, right? because once you have video and you've got some of this dynamic movement and some of those things captured, how does that then impact sort of the freeze frames of these things, you know, and um so it's interesting. I think it's after going

Play from 0:18:55 8:88:88 0:18:55 through it, I I I don't again I'm trying not to make snap judgments, right? and I see it and maybe it's just there's there's like a certain vibe that I'm getting from it. Like I don't feel like it's going to win on motion like super motion. Like I don't think you're going to get like super cinematic action from it like fast camera movements, super fast like coherent body movements like you get with something like film making type.

Play from 0:19:21 8:88:88 0:19:21 Yeah. But where I think it can win from what I've seen is what we talked about on the last podcast like taking being able to comprehend Midjourney's aesthetic and then being able to animate it because no other tool if you have something super complex a lot of times like visually it just the other tools just don't get it. They just like they like they like almost like compress it to something different like this one on the left over here. like adding the hands in and keeping the style that's not something you would get in a lot of other tools. So I think there's going to be and like what I've seen from the animated side of this like a lot of the animations and you know the like something that's illustrative style or maybe like 2D and flat like it looks

Play from 0:20:08 8:88:88 0:20:08 really good for that. I I don't know another tool that does that well outside of Miniax really. Um like this like that one on the left with the 2D flat animation there. Like that's Yeah. Yeah. Really cool. Yeah. Minimax was really good at that. Is really good at that. Yeah. So it's it's interesting like I don't think these car shots are going to be like I'm going to go to Midjourney for that. I might want to go to it for and this could just this is just a prediction. This is not how I actually think is going to you know not actually how I uh see it all playing out. But if I'm going to say what's going to be the best like that having that, you know, being able to take the style like that one, the one that you just went through and being able to actually utilize it, that's that's how I see this like like them winning immediately because a lot of people have problems with the like

Play from 0:20:53 8:88:88 0:20:53 you can't get anime like, you know, ask me about anime. I never do anime. So like I don't know how it I don't watch anime. I'm not saying it's bad. Yeah. Or anything. I just don't know how it looks. So I'm like I can't give any advice on that. I have a feeling this one probably going to be more in tune with that style considering how many people generate it. And yeah, and then just like the ability to like keep it in one tool. Yeah. You know, like I don't know like when you I guess when you use runway now, are you using are you using frames and then you know going into animation at all? I wonder how many people are actually using I guess my my question and my point is I wonder how many people are using both frames and then taking that into video with runway because like frames isn't that

0:21:00Comparing Video Tools: Runway, Frames, and Coherence Woes

Play from 0:21:40 8:88:88 0:21:40 bad. I like frames a lot. Like frames frames can be pretty good. Um and in fact there are some things Frames does right now that's way better than Midjourney. Um references something. Yeah. and like more complex scenes even and like certain objects even like I I like when I was doing that whole and still am I guess ongoing priest nun doing weird stuff you know I get better results in frames. Yeah, coherence wise like Yeah, coherence. Like even with something like a uh like a nun and a flamethrower for whatever reason I couldn't get a flamethrower like a a goodlooking flamethrower with a nun in Midjourney. I had to take that over to frames. Got it right away,

Play from 0:22:25 8:88:88 0:22:25 you know? And so there just some of those like obstacles you couldn't just couldn't do. But like yeah, this brings it all kind of into one place. We We all have so many good images of [ __ ] We probably just want to animate right here and there. Yeah, I'd go back I'd probably go back to like I'd go back five six and find all like the fun stuff and like put that to use again. Like I don't know the one the one question is answered I think personally from my side is is it going to be able to take its own style and animate it because we have that such broad range of aesthetic with Midjourney that no other tool has. So, it's it looks like it's going to be able to do most things, which is probably the biggest the biggest benefit because that's where the differentiation is.

Play from 0:23:09 8:88:88 0:23:09 There's no other tool that really can handle some of the more extreme stuff. Do you bring to life? I I wonder God, are we going to have to wait for V8 in order to take advantage of things like, you know, with video we're going to get in in these different shots to take? we're going to get like these kind of like unique angles if you were to stop a video and freeze it, right? Like will any of that be baked in? I guess the answer is no, right? Cuz you know they've already trained this model seven and they're already talking about eight.

Play from 0:23:41 8:88:88 0:23:41 Yeah. It doesn't sound like there's any going to be much that's happening between seven and eight. Maybe a 71 with minimal updates. But I don't know, like is there anything I guess immediate on the still side that benefits from this video outside of just taking images and and animating them? I wonder like especially from that like I just keep going back to that camera angle moving the scene kind of thing in my mind.

Play from 0:24:07 8:88:88 0:24:07 I forget who I forget who I saw it this week. Yes, I saw it's like the gon flatting or whatever and then it was but it was very there's also another really interesting one that I saw which was like a a way that someone was wearing a first person like headcam and you were watching like from their perspective but also the model was rendering like a like a third person view of them also. So, like I'm watching for like they're recording from first person, but the AI is generating like a third person view of everything they're doing, which I was like, "All right, now my mind is now now we're in the simulation when that can be, you know, when that can happen."

Play from 0:24:47 8:88:88 0:24:47 Right. That and the uh the the one you're talking about that video is was the guy I think it was like a guy sitting in a chair or something. I was damn it was like 4D like four-dimensional like and then like moving the camera around the entire scene. Let me see if I can see if you saved it, bookmarked it. I probably did. I just don't want to like comb through it because I bookmarked so much [ __ ] so much specifically for stuff like this.

0:25:004D AI Video and Simulation Vibes

Play from 0:25:12 8:88:88 0:25:12 All right, I found it. That was quick. Who is it? Um it's probably one of these. Let's see. Uh let me share my Let me share I'll share it up. Let's see. Screen. Share screen. All right. So, it was this one, right? Like this was the initial thing where I was like, what is going on here? I have no idea. But think this is kind of what we're going to see. Yeah. In the future, most likely. Yeah. Soon. And everybody's going to have it just like, you know, I would imagine this is also going to be like one of those things that everybody's going to have. Yeah. And you know, then again, the talent comes back into the mix of how you utilize it when you can do anything. Oh, see a little head head poke out back there. Hold on.

Play from 0:25:57 8:88:88 0:25:57 Where was that? Wait for it. Right there. Boom. Who that? I love when it I love when it does stuff like that. So, it's so like it's so almost like human that it makes a mistake and does, you know. And this is uh seeing if we could find the one that actually has like the so Chinese company 4DV AI. Oh, okay. That's not for some reason I thought it was somebody else, but that is the video that I saw.

Play from 0:26:24 8:88:88 0:26:24 Yeah. And I was like, whoa. That one that one sort of stopped me in my tracks. Like that's what we've kind of been asking for for a long time. And uh now it looks like it's coming to life. And who knows who knows of how that'll be used and how we can use this stuff. It's kind of weird. I I feel like we're we're already in the simulation. Yeah. Isn't it weird that we're in this unchartered territory with tech and Gen AI with image and video and and then we're sitting here talking on this pod about things that we think are going to happen and coming and then it comes like everything has come, you know? It's it's like how how is that even happening? This is unchartered

Play from 0:27:10 8:88:88 0:27:10 territory. It's not like we've been through this motion before, you know, and I guess it's just like we're either in a simulation or I think like we're just in this great echo chamber of us, the people that are listening to this that are like just like we're almost like manifesting these things to life because we're the ones providing the feedback and the observations and like we are indirectly sort of guiding this path forward which is kind of cool. Time is a flat circle. Yes, it is. It's all happened before and it's all happening now. It's all happening at once, right? It's just like that's it also just seems so natural. It's like, okay, what did I want? Like I want I want to do this. I want to be able to control this. Then it's, you know, well, if I then you see the models and you see the limitations like, oh, we need it to be like 3D but also 4D sort of to get in

Play from 0:27:58 8:88:88 0:27:58 there and like move it the way we want to and like generate the scene, but then like change the camera angle. So you see like all the it's all because of the steps of development and you just like sort of like all right you know like when we had the still image like well I want him to move right. Yeah. Then when they moved there was no like like movement of the person and it was like all right cool. Then like they got that down but it's like all right now I want to control the camera but like it won't listen to me. And then they introduced like camera controls right? Like it's always there's always like what's next?

Play from 0:28:28 8:88:88 0:28:28 What I want to do this right? Well what if I want to start here and end here? Then we add key frames, right? Dude, it's just it's crazy. Yeah, it's it's always it's always interesting like, oh, I can control the beginning, but I can't control the end. How do we do that? You know, key frames, you know, start here, end here, generate the middle, right? So, it's it's the next step in evolution. And then it's like, all right, well, then do we really want to be creating on a 2D screen? Like, I That's right. Yeah, that's right. Like, it's just this flat screen. It's weird.

Play from 0:28:56 8:88:88 0:28:56 It's going to be like you want to be more immersive in the creation space. Then you start to realize that everything can be consciously created. It's like, well, we can create a simulation. When you're inside of it and you're building it, it's like, yes, that's why it's like, are we really the the first ones in this position in this flat circle to be here? Like, no. No. Anyway, we're we're Yeah, we're going too deep. We're going and we're and we're sober, too.

Play from 0:29:24 8:88:88 0:29:24 So, that's wild. Friday, but I guess like you know video I I don't know if they they mentioned like an exact timeline. Even if they did, I I probably wouldn't be totally sure on that. We still have a long way to go. If you remember, like even with this stuff in the ranking parties with the images, right? Like there was a part of that that got delayed even based on something they found really late in the game. So I I don't know in terms of launch, but it sounds like there's going to be this, you know, ranking party.

0:29:45Midjourney Video Details (5-Second Clips, Angle Change, V7 Compatibility)

Play from 0:29:53 8:88:88 0:29:53 They did talk about um a second rating party plan to focus on quality preferences. Uh yeah, and they they did say initial party will intentionally show wonky content to identify what to avoid. Okay. So So they did mention that verbatim. And then video model features only going to be image to video at launch. No text to video at launch, but it will work with V7, V6, V5, V4, and NG. Cool. Uh, medium quality setting plan for balance between quality and accessibility. Not launching at maximum res or length. I heard 5 seconds as being the initial. Yeah. Video extension features planned for postlaunch

Play from 0:30:39 8:88:88 0:30:39 priority. And then um yeah to to the point we kind of already talked about preserves Midjourney's distinctive style better than text to video would. And I think like just a better and full interpretive uh vision of taking a Midjourney and seeing it through to the end. Right. Because even when you put that in another tool, it's kind of hard for another tool to kind of keep that feeling that vibe. Exactly. Things changing, moving. So I yeah I think like this interesting from that perspective too because if you create most of your images or Midjourney as your primary driver now you've got that on your side too if you're going to use it for video.

Play from 0:31:25 8:88:88 0:31:25 It's coming up. It's coming up and I'm I still feel like it's going to be sort of exactly how I expect it to be. Like awesome with some things, not great with others. And I don't know how much time they're going to This is where where I get concerned about is like how much time are they going to dedicate to video cuz like like are they going to start to pull resources away from image to go to video to keep up like or is video going to is then video going to start to lag because it's just like all right not a lot of people use this so whatever we'll just have it to have it they they did make like in the notes we've got V8 early development focusing on better understanding image quality image quality Just keep going. Fix everything else. I do have to say I mean how much how much

0:32:00Image Quality vs. Resource Allocation Worries

Play from 0:32:11 8:88:88 0:32:11 better can you make image quality? Do have to say the hands have been [ __ ] as of late. Oh, have they? And I It's annoying as hell really. Like I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's my PE code. I don't know if it is. And like I hate to go back. See, like that to me like the PCODE part of whatever they did to change that. They they definitely made a change in how that that operates. I if you've watched the show, you know how I feel about my PC code right now. But I mean, and I love in V6 in V6. Same, dude. Same. Loved it. Loved it. Keep you know 18,000 images ranked for it. I mean, that's that's hard to replicate. That's it's really hard to diminishing returns though. I can get through about 50

Play from 0:32:57 8:88:88 0:32:57 without like wanting to just I know. And when you really needed those Fast Hours too for a while, it's like, "Oh, okay." Such a good and unlock. But they they did say one interesting thing in here, by the way. Angle changing capabilities confirmed for video model. Ah, all right. I'm angle changing capabilities. I wonder if they took some of that 3D sort of mindset that they were trying to do, took it into, you know, took it into here. Like it's it's that's interesting because I feel like everything's going to have to be combined, right? Like if they wanted to go into that 3D sort of space, right? Like that's it has to be combined with like everything else, you know, you have to combine video into

Play from 0:33:42 8:88:88 0:33:42 that to get the motion. And then if you have the camera angles being able to switch to get to this 4D sort of where that Chinese company is, like you kind of have to have all those developments, I'm guessing, in some way, shape, or form from like an architecture standpoint. me talking like I know anything about that. Uh, just a just a guess. Special special potential for music videos and artistic exploration they said. Huh. All right. I mean, I I really want to know what they what they built what they built this on. If it was if it was Juan or something else like that.

Play from 0:34:19 8:88:88 0:34:19 Big feet. I don't know how they did it, but impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm impressed. So, so we smoke, but couple weeks away. Yeah, probably, you know, on that. But when that happens, Yeah. I mean, I think we're we're probably going to be broke immediately when that happens. Just add it to add it to the bill. Yeah. I got to figure out what's going on with that. Now, we do have uh something coming before that.

Play from 0:34:44 8:88:88 0:34:44 So, they they did talk about the style reference or SREF update, the system update. So, today's Friday. Mhm. Office hours was on Wednesday. They talked about they're attempting to release that this week and they said possibly tomorrow. So that was on Wednesday. Didn't happen yesterday unless I completely snoozed on that. I don't think I did. And I haven't heard anything yet today. So this could be something that happens over the weekend.

0:34:45Style Reference (SREF) Update Breakdown

Play from 0:35:10 8:88:88 0:35:10 Could happen on Monday. But um that's going to break the previous F sref code. So users must use D-SV4 or D-SV5 for old codes. New features include sref random and improved moodboard functionality. URL handling URL handling significantly improved. Huh. SRF URLs will work much better. And here was the part that I was mentioned before we uh hit record. Expected to be a wellreceived expected to be wellreceived as a slam dunk quote unquote release. Well, it is an excellent feature and it's still my one of my favorites. I mean, still my I was I was Yeah, I was burning hours

Play from 0:35:58 8:88:88 0:35:58 today trying to just unlock different SRFs that I'll probably never use. Um it's just fun to do it. Just guys, treasure hunt. It's totally like the the candy crush of Midjourney, you know, like just like addicting it to just play with it and just to like keep hitting the button. But it it's a uh I'm interested because I you know SRF SRF and SRF random I just think it's always been my favorite sort of thing since they released it cuz it's what we want to do is just like sort of play with styles and really go and push the envelope. I'm just like how much better does it get? Like I don't know like what how if mood board function improves awesome like that's cool. I like that a lot because I feel like that's that's still an opportunity for them. I mean, that never got to a place where it felt

0:36:10Moodboard Upgrades and the Return of SRF Fun

Play from 0:36:44 8:88:88 0:36:44 like it was at a elite level. It was good, but then you had V7 drop and then it took a step back, right? And then I find my mood boards work better now, as weird as that sounds, the ones I created in V6 with V7. I don't know why, but I I really like them. And it's the mood board. Play with that some more. I I used I've been creating a few as of late and they're just like this is sick. Like I don't know why it works so well now.

Play from 0:37:13 8:88:88 0:37:13 Like when it first came out, remember how difficult it was? Yeah. Sort of. Yeah. Finicky. Yeah. And it wasn't it was producing soft like it wasn't producing like with detail like it was a lot sort of like everything got like a little bit felt like it was going back into like V6 versus V61. And now I feel like it's great. Works on everything. And I'm like this is this is great. Let's keep let's keep going with this, you know, keep pushing the things I like them to work on. Video rating party round two tonight or today just happened. All right, you saw the announcement here on uh Click it here.

Play from 0:37:51 8:88:88 0:37:51 Let's Yeah, let's let's let's take a look at this in real time. We've made a second batch. Um these are even more wonky and messed up. All right, cool. So it turns out that as we give the model more freedom to do bad things, it also broadened its ability to learn the the widest possible range of beauty. Uh same link as before.

Play from 0:38:17 8:88:88 0:38:17 Let me see if what's interesting. Does any other and I might I'm just ignorant because I don't really follow any other company this this like religiously. Does anyone else tell you when they're training their models how they're training them? Like that's an interesting fact. like let's make it let's make it go super you know give it the freedom to to mess up so that it has like a creative sort of I don't think so right I mean like I'm not I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm on all these other calls but one Midjourney does this weekly no one else is doing this weekly no um and even if they yeah I don't probably not man because if you're not doing it weekly that news would already be old news like you it wouldn't be something that you would bring up probably Yeah, I think it's it's interesting. Like so these are meant to

0:38:30Rating Party #2: Wonkier, Weirder, Better?

Play from 0:39:03 8:88:88 0:39:03 be more wonky. Like I again these like already look different from what I rated the other day. Interesting. Yeah. So I wonder if that's what actually when we were doing this though if that's what we were looking at too when we were going through because this this was a couple hours ago. It looks like that they they posted that. Huh. Interesting. because it's definitely some of this stuff that I've seen. There was some there was a few ones that I was really blown away with and there was a bunch that I was just like whatever.

Play from 0:39:37 8:88:88 0:39:37 I've seen million things that look like this. So again, it's like you don't know what so many you don't know what to you don't know where to like sort of lay your opinion on this. But dude, it new new game. I mean, you know, just throw it into the mix of like 75 other tools that you we we're trying and testing and playing with at all times cuz this this does not end. This does not end. And it does not Look at that. All right. That's pretty good. Does Yeah, I was going to say that's pretty wild. Like that one on the right. Yeah, that one's All right. I see you.

Play from 0:40:15 8:88:88 0:40:15 I wouldn't call these wonky. I'd call them decent. interesting. And it's like weird like I don't know if you've noticed there's typically when there when the two images are or the two videos are very the same, one has subtle motion and one has a lot more motion. I have not noticed that yet. All right. So like this one you see like one's got way more action than the other one. The one on the right. Um but when they do like two of the same, like you just pass the river, the one was like really still and then the other one was like really fast. Yeah. Uh that's a boat made of cheese. All right. Didn't think they say that on a podcast, but see like see how one is still and one has a lot more motion like this one. One on the right still. The one on the left motion. Like I don't know what what they're trying to do with that. Yeah,

Play from 0:41:01 8:88:88 0:41:01 exactly. Yeah. I don't know if what what that means in terms of preference for people or like training the model or how that actually affects the outputs. But I' I've noticed that when you're ranking, but gonna be gonna be interesting. Yes, sir. Like that. But dude, we got a bunch of other updates. Yeah, I was gonna say, let's get let's get into let's get into the other stuff here because we're on the back back nine. Why don't you um why don't you tee us up? I think we think we want to get into runway a little bit, right? Want to get into runway. Let's take a look at what's what Topaz dropped because I think this is something that everyone's been looking for for a long time is the Topaz dropped uh what's called Astra, which is their video creative creative video upscaler. So I'll show this here.

0:41:30Topaz Astra vs. Starlight: Video Upscaling Just Got Real

Play from 0:41:48 8:88:88 0:41:48 Let me go to now. We did a you know last week too. One of the things that we were looking at was that Topaz upscaler. Is this an update since then? So this is update since then. Okay. Now this is a different one. Right. This is basically built on top of Star. Starite was their original creative like diffusion model to upscale video. Now they've taken it a little bit further. So like depending on sort of a few different factors, right?

Play from 0:42:18 8:88:88 0:42:18 Like if we browse files, let me see if I can find a a video here. Let's see. All right. So put a video in. You can go through now and there's instead of just like starlight was just basically one option just upscale four or 1080p or 4K. This actually adds this actually adds detail. So, it's not just like upscaling the video, it's upscaling the detail. So, you have the options here for precise or creative, right?

Play from 0:42:49 8:88:88 0:42:49 Precise is going to be closer to the image. Creative is going to add more detail. Um, you have your subtle and bold for creative. You can go, you know, bold might add a lot of things. It's very similar. It's basically magnific for for video. I still think it has its issues where it's it softens things out a lot, but it definitely adds a ton of detail. So if you look at something like this, right? Like you can see and of course it's going to render render weird right now. So you can see the difference like between that's the upscaled version, that's the original. But it's really crazy when you zoom in and you see the difference like from that to that. Like I said, still looks a little soft to me, but like that's her face and

Play from 0:43:34 8:88:88 0:43:34 then that's the detail. like the difference in the hair, like the fine grain in the hair. Her teeth look very weird. I'm zoomed in really far. But for for something in this space that we've been looking for and asking for, it's nice to You know what I noticed? um small thing, but like this seems to be a case on almost every tool I've seen when it comes to faces and these like perfect example, these deep lines on the forehead. They're always too sharp. The lines are too sharp. It's It's too sharp. You know what I mean? Um it like it it definitely looks better than the fuzzy edit, but they need to add some softness to that. Um, that's one of the dead giveaways, too, right now. I would say just in in the images that I see,

0:44:00Face Lines, Forehead Fails, and Realism Woes

Play from 0:44:20 8:88:88 0:44:20 it's like, bro, the the [ __ ] lines on the forehead, they're just too crisp. You know what I mean? Like, like even when you look at this, when you look at her her blazer, right? Like just adding the wrinkles though gives it so much more Yeah. life, right? Like there's little things that we're going to get to like the, you know, the shadow on her head sort of disappears though, which is kind of annoying. Like the shadow from her hair right there. There's like little things that it doesn't pick up on, but like if this is on a mobile format, right? You start thinking about it like that, it just looks so much better at this size than it does, you know, big screen. Here you go, right up in your face. Like I can see all the faults. So, still think we got a little bit of a way to go. There's some really,

Play from 0:45:05 8:88:88 0:45:05 really good ones. Um, you know, specifically like you can see a lot of it here. Um, of course it's going to give me like a very not perfect view of this right now, which is when when we're doing this live. Let's see if this one's better. Yeah, like you can see here like the the difference in the car, right? Like it's very different. And like even just the road and the outer quality of it, right? Like this one, maybe we went over this on the last video, but this was this was done with Astra instead of starlight. like even the up here like you can see the big difference on those lights. So, it's you know we're moving in a direction. I think it's a big step forward and I think that we have wanted it and asked for it like why can't there just be a magnific video? Here we go.

Play from 0:45:52 8:88:88 0:45:52 It's coming. They're working on it and I hope it's I hope it's gets a little bit better because once they start adding that crisp detail to what's going on with Magnificard like they were rolling for a while like I mean like in terms of like pushing updates constantly. Yeah. I don't know. Free pick free owns them so whoever whatever Freepick's doing. I've always just been like there's still no tool that to me that kind of can do what it can do that I'm sure anyone who's on here that's using Comfy UI you're like yeah there's like a million open source ones I'm I'm sure there are but for right you know the average consumer that's looking to you know do this stuff and not engineer software in company that is no shot at Compy users. You guys

0:46:00Runway Korea Drops Its Own Image Model

Play from 0:46:38 8:88:88 0:46:38 are geniuses. Me I'm a nerd but I'm not that I'm not that big of a nerd. Yeah, y'all are way too nerdy for me. I like it. It's just you have to be dedicated. You have to be dedicated to do it. Um, so that one was a good one. The other one we saw was, you know, for getting into runway Korea. I don't know if you saw this. It launched their launched their new image generator. First first like propri not proprietary, whatever you want to call it, first like self built image generator. It's good. Super fast, super cheap. Um, you know, you can train Lauras on it on on Korea's website. I like it. I think it's good.

Play from 0:47:14 8:88:88 0:47:14 If you're a Korea fan, just another tool to add to the tool belt. So, I don't think I don't think much is worth talking about there other than it can do things and it's good and it's like nice to have within the Korean environment. I don't think it's going to be like mindblowing um in terms of like a differentiator versus anything else other than it's nice to train models on. But that's uh you just to keep everyone in the loop on some of these things. If you are a Korea subscriber, go check it out cuz it's it's decent. But it's uh you know, yeah, they I mean and they I mean they've they did something too with that that enhancement feature that they have similar to Magnific like they made a huge I haven't played with it but um because I've got Yeah, I've got Magnific the full

Play from 0:48:01 8:88:88 0:48:01 thing for the stills. I don't really go in here, but that would be interesting cuz Topaz Topaz also released a new like uh image upscaler. [name] is F is very very chatty this afternoon. We we missed [name], though. I know she's I've been trying to do it while she's napping, but she's she's rowdy right now. They didn't Well, maybe they didn't change too much, though.

Play from 0:48:27 8:88:88 0:48:27 But there's there's a new What is the Topaz Creative Upscaler called? Topaz image create. It's called like bubble, but it starts with a B. Uh D. What is it called? Bloom. That's it. It's a new one called Bloom. I don't know if that if they've open sourced that, but you can get decent detail. Like I I I played around with it. It's good. It's kind of like magnific.

Play from 0:48:54 8:88:88 0:48:54 Not as I don't think it's as controllable as Magnific, but still another option. Yeah. So, maybe we should uh should we jump into should jump into runway? Yeah, jump into runway. I like this one. All right, let me uh I'll share this up. So, runway got a little bit of an update now. Also, jump into this bad boy.

0:49:15Runway's New Chat Interface in Action

Play from 0:49:21 8:88:88 0:49:21 I was playing playing with our thumbnail from last week. People loving the thumbnail. Hey man, we're going to go in that direction. We might as well do it. when you open up runway now or at least this is for you know we're in the creator creative partner program there. So, this is kind of how the new interface when you open up, you can get right into just a chat feature, right? It's like totally different. So, I was like, this is this is kind of a cool idea because this is what I liked about ChatGPT was like being able to sort of like edit in convo instead of having to like retype the whole prompt, edit the whole piece. Like this is a nice little, you know, nice little adjustment. So, you know, you can do certainly. Let's just let's just test it live, you know.

Play from 0:50:06 8:88:88 0:50:06 We'll drop we'll drop Drew in here. I'm curious, are you finding yourself I know for me doing more of the voice prompting with with chat GBT at this point now than than text prompting? Um like what I mean by that? Yeah, but I mean what about desktop though? Even desktop? No. No, I I don't I don't know. I think better when I type. What do you think? I I definitely can think better.

Play from 0:50:35 8:88:88 0:50:35 I would say like it's definitely two different types of muscles for sure. Um because I can't articulate quite as clearly as I could in as I do in writing. That said, I can also like throw a bunch more just [ __ ] in there and it kind of figures it out too at the same time. Like so I feel like like contextually I can I can do a little bit of a better job with the voice, but it's just it's it's faster, right? I mean, that's that's the the benefit. I mean, typing all that sometimes is exhausting, especially if you're using these tools like non-stop throughout the day like we are. Yeah. I've just I've found myself just doing more and more of the voice prompting now. I even got like this nice little GPT. It's like this little It's a little nothing GPT, but it's I use it

0:51:00Voice Prompting vs. Typing

Play from 0:51:21 8:88:88 0:51:21 all the time. So basically what I'll do is I'll talk into chatbt and then just instantly puts it down to this nice tight distilled version that I use for like all my emails and slacks that require context now. You know, it's just like because why am I going to spend 15 minutes like cuz I'm a slow writer. I love to write but I'm very methodical in my writing. And so like this is a great way to kind of like hey you know my my style of writing. I'm just going to talk. you're going to consolidate, distill it down, and it's going to put it into a nice linear logical flow, whereas my mind will sometimes bounce around. So, I've been using the hell out of that thing. I like it. I I'm I'm a typer to think. Like, I I type and think at the same time, so I can organize my

Play from 0:52:07 8:88:88 0:52:07 thought the right way. But when it's on mobile, 100% voice, I just I cannot sit there and type on my phone. I I hate the phone like typing on there. It's just like my fingers are too fat. I know. It's never been a great exper. It's never been good. Always typos, whatever. But this is So, back to, you know, this little chat feature here. It's pretty good because you can just take like you can use runway references within this, right? Like I can also just be like, you know, let's let's bring let's bring me into this now and be like, you know, add add this guy to the im. Add this exact Got Luna running underneath me and face screaming in the background. Um, add

Play from 0:52:53 8:88:88 0:52:53 this exact character to the image with the initial character in one by one. Let's see. So, like you can just sort of get in here and just talk, which I like which I like. It's it's so much more interactive and sometimes you can be all right like you know go back and do this like oh actually make it look more like this person. It's just a little bit more um a little bit more interactive and then being able to utilize all their features within chat is just very cool to me. So you know I've been playing around with this. There's a lot of demo videos out there right now but I think this one's pretty damn pretty damn good for what it what it's been. Um, you know, we're doing very basic stuff here, everyone.

Play from 0:53:38 8:88:88 0:53:38 Once this thing actually renders, I'll just be like, you know, let's let's do a video of these two talking to each other, cuz that's what we do on this damn show. We talk to each other. By the way, while we're waiting for this Yeah, guys, 20K 20K subs, man. 20K subs. Thank you everyone if you're still here, too. Still listening right now, deep into it. About what? for 40 50 minutes. Yeah, we kind of both of us we kind of buried the lead there, but that was fun, man. That was good to see.

0:53:50Midjourney Fast Hours Hits 20K Subs

Play from 0:54:10 8:88:88 0:54:10 Yeah. Let's see if we can create a video of them talking to each other in an animated fashion. You know what too, like great video here, you know? So, made that post about that yesterday with the 20k subs. Even even just some of the comments that I saw on there, I I just I guess I just don't under the understand the full scope of how many people like who listens to this because like I'm seeing names and I'm like I okay like I've never seen your name ever and I guess you've been rocking with this show for a while, you know? Like that's that's such a cool feeling. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. And we appreciate everyone who does. We appreciate the feedback. We appreciate the ideas. We appreciate the

Play from 0:54:56 8:88:88 0:54:56 recommendations. all of it because we're just we're just winging it. We're just going by, you know, pure vibes. Pure vibes on what's going on. Vibe. This is Vibe podcasting in full effect. Yeah, Vibe podcasting. I hate to use like that like that terminology, but that's what this is what we're doing. I mean, this is minimal viable podcasting. This is an NBA. That's exactly what this this is.

Play from 0:55:21 8:88:88 0:55:21 We show up, we do the podcast, we quickly upload this thing and that's it. And uh but it's fun. Like it's the best hour. It's the best hour of the week. Yeah. And we just get to rec recap everything because I think there's so much that we need to sort of organize in our own heads too about what's going on and what to talk about and like where people care and you guys giving us feedback on what you care about also and what you want to hear. Also like you know try to make this like a Midjourney sort of model here like what the community lead it. We'll just talk about whatever that is. We'll do our research.

Play from 0:55:53 8:88:88 0:55:53 We'll bring on who you guys are looking to, you know, who you guys want us to bring on. So, anyone here again that's still at this point, thank you. Also, like and subscribe, like, you know, share it with a friend, just in case you made it 56 minutes in and you haven't subscribed yet. That's right. You just hit the like button, something, anything. Drop a comment, you know, say say, you know, this this picture of us is is goofy. I don't care.

0:56:10Runway Speed Issues and Prompt Iteration

Play from 0:56:20 8:88:88 0:56:20 whatever it is. But this is the one thing that I have noticed going back to the runway stuff is that it is so much slower than regular runway. Like it feels like I'm using chat GBT where it's Oh, that's kind of that's that is kind of a bummer though. I mean, obviously it'll speed up at some point, but cuz like runway like turbo, even Gen 4 or Gen 4 turbo does not take this long. Like this is this is slow for Runway and I always I've always appreciated Runway's turbo models because you can just get through iterations fast. It's like okay does this work? Does this work? Does this work? No. But no, like here this feels like Chad GPT is is when you're like rendering. I agree. I I do like that there is like something really nice about that that turbo kind of functionality in general cuz then it's

Play from 0:57:07 8:88:88 0:57:07 like you know you know you're not going to get this pristine consistency with where we're at right now. So it's nice to have like maybe 20 to 30 generations and you can really just cherry pick the best one to three that you really like. You know what I mean? Like there's something cool about just doing that. Yeah. If you're iterating prompts too, like the one that works the best with the fast model is most like and the turbo model is most likely going to work with the high quality model. So just, you know, flip it to that on the same prompt. So like little things like that. That's how I use VO a lot of the time. you know, use the fast model aura, use V2 to sort of test concepts to see if like something's a little bit more extreme, you know, and it might this might not work instead of burning a V3 credit, which is like half of my, you know, half feels like a $100

Play from 0:57:54 8:88:88 0:57:54 a generation. Cost you a knuckle. Yeah. Yeah. Not for the people out there that say we shill and get this stuff for free. I wish I wish Vio was for free. Let's see if they gave us some. All right, so now they have us talking like we did this all in the within the window. Granted, it shouldn't have taken the 10 minutes that we're on here, but like it's cool to just be able to take this picture of Drew and then just be like, "All right, put us in the same image and now have us talking." Like, yeah, simple. Exactly. I'm sure you can get much more creative than this. Um, you know, it's it's I don't know if this is the way that it's moving, but it feels like a lot of people are liking this. And I think it's very beginner friendly and very, you know, sort of like less intuitive, less like prompt craft involved, less feature function involved, more just like do this and

Play from 0:58:40 8:88:88 0:58:40 watch it execute. So, you know, if you haven't played around with it, I would definitely say give it a shot. There's some cool stuff like Runaway References to me on the image side, I've been using it a lot more. I like it. I like it a lot. It's very good. I think it's got a little bit I think it's a little bit more intuitive than flux context. I like flux context. I just think it runway references brings in a little bit more micro detail and keeps things a little bit closer to the reference images. Um, you know, that being said, it depends on the image, right? Like if you want to do a sneaker, both are going to do it great. It's like when you have like a character with details and other things, um, that's when it starts to get a little bit little bit like case case by case specific. You know, runway softens

0:58:45Runway Tips + Reference Hack

Play from 0:59:25 8:88:88 0:59:25 things out a little bit in its own way. Flux can maybe overcompensate on on the texture side with that as well. Just depends. Um, oh, for the also little hack for everyone. Little hacks. I don't know if anyone else has this issue with the ChatGPT image generator or Sora image generator. What? Um, do you notice how like all the outputs have a yellow hue? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talked about this. Yeah, it's it uh Do you ever tell it to turn down the yellow hue? Oh, well, I haven't in a while, but when it when I first started doing that. Yeah. And it doesn't listen to you. Oh, really? It's been It's been listening to me though. Oh, it's listening to you. Yeah. It's been a while since I asked that, but when I did because I was basically I think this was going back to when I was generating

1:00:00That Yellow Hue Problem and a Fix?

Play from 1:00:11 8:88:88 1:00:11 these these icons if I remember correctly. This was before I was doing you know would have done the JSON approach or whatever. But I was just like, "Hey, this exact style." Boom. But I noticed it started getting more and more warm and I'm like, then I started in the instructions like every single prompt where I was like, "And you know, like remove the like tone down, you know, the the image is too warm." I can't remember exactly what I said, but I mean it was very clear what I was trying to communicate. And yeah, nah nah nah nah. So I did it with this first one was just like this. Love that by the way, dude. That's got to I feel like that's got to be the cover image for this for the That's got to be the thumbnail, bro. That's a It's a good one. That's sick. Cuz then I I said to

Play from 1:00:57 8:88:88 1:00:57 it, I'm like, "Turn down the yellow hue." Like, specifically, I was like, "Just redo this image, you know, add the add the nose ring that you didn't add in and turn down the yellow hue." And it was like, "Okay." It's like, "There's no yellow in this image." I'm like, "Sick. Thank you." Cuz I Everything looks like this, right? Like you go on the if you go on the Sora, you know, like the Sora homepage and you scroll, it's just like yellow and green hue on everything and I don't it's like how Midjourney makes your mid is now blue. Yeah, it's cool.

Play from 1:01:26 8:88:88 1:01:26 Midourney now. Yeah. Right. Like the explore page if we go it's like so much yellow like yellow like this has a yellow hue. This has a yellow hue. You know, so much of it is it's so warm and it's like nothing unless you prompt for blue and cool. You just get yellow. I mean, even like the images that I do, I just like like why is this so green and yellow? I know that there's not Let's see if this prompt Okay, maker ablazion.

Play from 1:01:54 8:88:88 1:01:54 That's not I wasn't expecting that. Um, but you know, like again, yellow, yellow, green, like yellow green. Definitely yellow green on the cat. It just it's annoying cuz it's it's very good in certain instances, but I just I don't But I do like that that feel better than the cool feel. I always I've always loved yellow and green more than the blue and the pink. I mean, my interesting. Yeah.

Play from 1:02:25 8:88:88 1:02:25 Yeah. Well, I guess I I don't disagree with you there. I'd rather, you know, I'd take black and white. Um, but I think it's like I don't get how can like how can these things be so skewed, though? Like, how can something like this be so yellow and green? Regardless, this is just a pet peeve of mine. So, yeah. No, I mean, it's peeve. It's a pet peeve of mine, too. Like, also, why can't that be Well, there never mind. I mean I mean I was going to say I mean technically you could achieve that right with I mean there's so much that you can achieve just with text prompting but I'm just saying like maybe maybe that's just like a quick selection too.

Play from 1:03:03 8:88:88 1:03:03 Yeah. White balance or something you know I I mean just I don't know. I thought it was interesting. I saw something with I can't remember if th this was in the like idea leaderboard thing or this came up in office hours or where I saw this but it was almost like should we maybe it was like a discord question. Should we keep like pursuing like should we pursue ourselves as like almost like a photo like move closer to like a Photoshop replacement kind of thing. I can't remember how they said it. Um, but I was like, "Oh, interesting. Interesting." I don't know.

1:03:10Photoshop Replacements and Weevy Praise

Play from 1:03:44 8:88:88 1:03:44 Like the tool Weevie that I've been working with, that feels like a Photoshop replacement. Like I've been doing our thumbnails on Weebi and Figma and like I don't even touch up like Photoshop anymore because it can do a lot of the things that I needed to do on Photoshop. Like you can even open up like a Photoshop style browsing window within Weevi. Like it has the same functionalities. I forget what it's called. Protoia or something like that.

Play from 1:04:09 8:88:88 1:04:09 But you know, I can compose in layers in Weevi. I can I can remove backgrounds like I've done our last couple thumbnails just straight out of Weevi. The other thing that's nice in Weevy is it has relight which is like the uh the magnificum feature which can basically if you have like a stacked layered image and you want to like make it all sort of congruent and and make it all sort of flatten out but all the lighting be consistent. It it's a great tool for that. It makes everything you know I can say like make the light come from the left and like it changes everything in the image to make the light look like it's coming from the left which is great. So there's, you know, Weevi is like my is my sick addiction at the moment outside of, you know, Midjourney and VO, but Weevie just playing with it

Play from 1:04:55 8:88:88 1:04:55 and just like seeing the creative potential. It's the worst thing that's ever happened to me because I just there's so many things I want to do with it, so many things I want to try. It's it's like where do I where does it end? Where do I stop? I kind of miss the days of like I can just create an image, right? Like it was like that was now. Well, cuz cuz now your mind doesn't turn off, you know? It's bad. You're Yeah.

Play from 1:05:22 8:88:88 1:05:22 Yeah. I know. I know how you work now. Like, dude, your mind doesn't shut off either. I mean, I think like our minds do the same thing, but in different ways, but that's definitely I could see you struggling with that constantly. You you literally can't turn it off. And then it's like, well, I have to I have to make a post today or something, you know, like I have to I have to go post on X or something to keep the keep the algorithm juice to keep everything going, right? And it's like, do I go to do I go to VO? Do I go to runway? Do I go to do I go to Topaz? Do I go to Midjourney? Do like sitting there like, should I do ads? Should I do like a story? Should I do like a a Bigfoot vlog video? Which if anyone hasn't seen those, you know, shout out to whoever started that trend because that first one was incredible. That big Do you see that one? you know, blows up the uh the campsite by putting dynamite in the

1:05:45AI Burnout and Bigfoot Blowing Up Campfires

Play from 1:06:08 8:88:88 1:06:08 fire. Yeah. Genius. So good. So good. You know, pay a brand pay an agency like $600,000 and be like come up with a viral piece of content. They never That's what I'm saying. I mean, like there I mean, if nothing else, right? Like this changes the game. Like it you could debate all day about the film making stuff and the the all the things there, but like even just from from that standpoint of just creating content, creating imperfect content even as is right like those things can work and always will be moving forward, new ways to generate things that don't have to cost five, six figures, you know, to put together. Yeah. Yeah. There's I don't know if I don't know if you saw the uh

Play from 1:06:55 8:88:88 1:06:55 I don't know if you saw the thing that Google shared today. It's like a super professional um it was today. No, I haven't seen it. There was a I want to see if I can if I have it here. It was it was a hybrid film that was made with V I believe it's V3 and uh and like traditional film making and it's incredible. Like one of the best things I've ever seen. I was not best thing I've ever seen, but one of the best uses of AI I've ever seen.

1:07:10Google + Veo 3’s Hybrid Film Project

Play from 1:07:25 8:88:88 1:07:25 Like if I'm gonna share it here just to to show everyone, but it was really impressive the way they did it. There's also like a supplemental sort of like podcast where they go through and tell you how they sort of integrated AI into all this. But if I go through here, like you'll see some of the stuff that's it looks realistic. I mean, like some of the stuff in some of the AI scenes are incredible. No, they have if I can get to the where is it?

Play from 1:07:53 8:88:88 1:07:53 But they use it in the right way. You know what I mean? It's like used integrated into the movie in a very seamless way or the into the short film. That's a great That's another good call out though, right? Like it doesn't have to fully replace anything. Supplementary. Totally. Supplementary. I mean, like even doing some of this, you can tell like where the probably the images were generated. Then we did like some sort of retexturing andor image to image or sketch to image like this scene specifically, right? Like I'm pretty sure majority of this is AI. Now, you know, we could probably drop this this link in the comments if anyone's interested in watching this. It's just it's professional quality. It's this isn't like fan art. This isn't, you know,

Play from 1:08:39 8:88:88 1:08:39 someone who did a spec commercial for Nike. This is like professional Hollywood people using the tools, using real actors, using, you know, the real editing, real sound mixing, real like everything. And it's, you can see it's kind of legit. So, I think you're going to see, you know, good way for them to bridge the gap, I think, by not coming out and doing an all AI thing, but doing a hybrid approach. That's what I'm saying. I think that's like one of the more obvious things, but no one's really talking about that. Like why why just like with anything else, why does it have to be all one way or all the other, right? Like you've got plenty of capabilities to just infuse the two together, use, you know, bring out the

1:09:00Final Thoughts, Tribeca, and Father's Day Love

Play from 1:09:26 8:88:88 1:09:26 best sides of both things. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's cool, man. I I'm I'm interested to see how the response is at the Tribeca Film Festival. I think it's this weekend. Um, we'll see how it goes over. I'm sure you'll have a lot of articles in Variety or whatever other magazine about it. Well, um, well, hey man, as we as we wrap this, special shout out to all the dads out there. Happy Father's Day coming up Sunday. Happy Father's Day to you.

Play from 1:09:55 8:88:88 1:09:55 Didn't even think about it. So, didn't even think about it. Everyone else, it's a grind, fellas. It's a grind. Uh, mad respect to anybody out there who is a dad and who is dadding it up because it ain't easy. Um, just another one of those things that just gets put on your plate and you just kind of figure it out, right? Like, god damn, man. But, uh, it's cool. It's cool. I'm I'm I'm actually excited about I think this is like the first Father's Day I'm like kind of jacked about because the kids are, you know, a little bit older. They're like creating some artwork for me. They've already kind of told me some of the secrets that that are they've got planned for Sunday, you know. So, I like that. Did they How was your How was your Father's Day lunch in today? I mean, uh it was good to see the

Play from 1:10:40 8:88:88 1:10:40 kids at school. The lunch wasn't anything to write home about. Eating the kids, you know, they had like tacos, but those tacos were they were bare bones. It's like why why go wrong there? Just get pizza. I know. They I think they did pizza last year. It's like that would have been great. Just do the pizza and favorite. No one pizza ever complains about even if it's bad pizza. Just eat it, right? Like pizza or like chicken wings. Like you can't like you literally cannot go wrong with either of those things, brother.

Play from 1:11:10 8:88:88 1:11:10 Well, people can I I People can mess up chicken wings for sure. They can. But from a crowd-pleaser standpoint or chicken fingers maybe like chicken tenders like you kids and adults cuz like chicken wings, man, don't even get me started on that. They got to be crispy. I don't want I don't want too much meat on the bone. Like, it's got to be like a good chicken wing. Like, I'm not trying to have a whole chicken sandwich on the bone. And I also don't want it to be soft and soggy. Like, it needs to be crisp and hit. I got I got I got standards here, brother. I got standards for the wings.

Play from 1:11:45 8:88:88 1:11:45 I hear you. I just it's just always been a I feel like it's always been a tough sort of merging of like how do you get kids to eat and adults to eat and be satisfied at the same time like you know where there's the preferences preference gap pizza's like the thing's the thing I'm a food snob but like give me some dominoes I'll eat it you know what I mean like it's not there's really nothing thin crust give me the thin crust dominoes though if you're going to do it I'll eat it it's pizza like you know I will yeah go shill for anything in Italy like, you know, eat a piece of pizza there. Neapolitan. Yeah. You're you're over here spoiled with the Italy stuff eating. I'll eat that till your gut. Yeah, man. Come on. It's better than anything. And then like, you know, when it's a if I'm just out there and someone's got dominoes, what am I going to say? No. No. I don't do that. It's

Play from 1:12:33 8:88:88 1:12:33 like, yeah, I'll eat the pizza. Chicken wings, though. I do hear you on the soggy stuff. Hate that. Got to be got to be a little I mean, just had to get that in there. Had to had to throw that in there cuz Yeah, I dig it. I take it, dude. That's That's how we That's how we roll on Midjourney Fast Hours, man. That lawsuit hits. We're just gonna have to shorten it down to Fast Hours. Damn, you're right. I think people have been People did suggest that. They were like, "The name Fast Hours still sticks, though." They're like, "It's a good It's good branding." I was like, "Well, that's all that's all." I don't know how we can't I think I think Chad GBT helped us out with that one, but I can't remember. Legit, though. Either way, perfectly branded. Either way, like and subscribe. You already said it, so I'm just echoing your statement. And uh please, we'll catch you guys next week

Play from 1:13:19 8:88:88 1:13:19 on the next one. Maybe we'll have some SRF stuff to uh to dip into. Yeah, maybe we'll do demo next week. Maybe we'll do guest. Maybe we'll do something. We'll see what we got, you know, in the mix. A lot of these things have been sort of like coming out like that rapid pace, just like you know, spitfire. So, regardless, I'm sure we'll have something to talk about next week. fight, dude. As always, having have a good uh have a good uh weekend. Enjoy your Father's Day and then uh I guess we'll get rolling on this stuff again next week. Likewise, man. Good to see you. See you. See you guys next week.

Play from 1:13:53 8:88:88 1:13:53 Peace.