Ep. 29: Midjourney: New Describe Feature, Mood Boards & The Future

0:00:00Intro and Banter

Play from 0:00:00 8:88:88 0:00:00 what's up everybody Midjourney Fast Hours podcast must be Friday because we are back back in the seat yeah Rory Flynn Drew Brucker welcome there's there's so much going on man it's like every time I open Twitter LinkedIn whatever it's like new feature this Nvidia loses a trillion dollars that I'm like what the you know what's going on it's just insane I don't even know how people like how do you keep up I'm like I don't I just don't I mean who who is I don't even know who is anymore it's it's crazy it is crazy out there yeah it's it's never been harder than right now even I feel like now is even harder than six months ago to stay up to date and I feel lucky I feel lucky that we just focused on something early and then it was like okay well at least this one

Play from 0:00:46 8:88:88 0:00:46 thing has application for other things you know we already kind of built the muscle because like if you're trying to start now yeah it'd be very tough also we we do have a few things we're going to talk about today we Rory and I were talking we're going to go into the new describe feature briefly show you how that Works uh Midjourney released that for the website there is a a nice little way to do that now um there's also something we've been working on for the past couple weeks which is mood boards we talked about it last episode we talked about it a couple episodes before that you know last episode we really went super super deep on that so I feel like we shared a lot of value there but also we've been you know really I guess doing the work on our end to build mood boards that feel really highend that

Play from 0:01:31 8:88:88 0:01:31 feel premium not just like inconsistent or questionable quality and so we're going to go ahead and release a mood board package premium offer whatever we want to call it to the community here probably next week so by the time you hear this it'll be the following week and just kind of put that together for you guys and share some of the value that we found in putting those things together so you guys can go ahead and grab some of these things and put them into practice so I've got I think what six or seven of mine that I've done you've got six or seven of yours that you've done and we can kind of tease that and show you guys a little bit about like the visually uh the the asset that we're going to put that in how that's going to look and so forth and then lastly I think we're going to get

Play from 0:02:17 8:88:88 0:02:17 into office hours with some of the things that are coming still coming maybe soon we'll figure that out but there are some really good pieces of that sitting in on the last office hours you and I I think took away some really cool things that we can share about what Midjourney is thinking with 3D with video with V7 and so forth so we're going to get into all that uh kind of bounce around a little bit but uh before that let's uh let's jump off like what's what's what's happening over there in New York I know you've had a crazy week with uh client work crazy stuff I had two corporate trainings this week back to back two days in a row I don't know if that's a mistake on my part or not that's a mistake on your part I think so I make them I own up to him I told my wife I was like you know this is cool

Play from 0:03:03 8:88:88 0:03:03 but also just I learn again I learn something new every week as to like what to do and what not to do that was uh that was a hell of like a you there was Tuesday I think I work from 8:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. straight just like I have to get this done and it's uh you know luckily I had a uh little float tank session earlier in the week bought uh bought it for my wife for Christmas I'm like well we don't get any silence anymore or peace so maybe we go into the sensory deprivation tank see Jesus or something you know for a little bit but uh felt like I went into a Time Warp after that thing I came out and just started working for four straight days and now now we're here it's a nice little like counter to the burnout dude it is like if anyone hasn't done a sensory deprivation tank I I if you have kids if you're just busy if anything if

Play from 0:03:50 8:88:88 0:03:50 you just want to like disappear for an hour that feels like 10 minutes like that's the spot you just go it does feel like 10 minutes doesn't it like that time goes by really fast so I've done it I think three times total all right because it's I used to go like once a month because I it was like the only place I could go and just get peace in New York I was going to say it's probably really hard to find it's great you don't hear anything you know you get the earplugs in you just lay in there there was there's times where I felt like I've been in there for like a year and times I felt like I've been in there for 10 seconds this was one of those like after the first 5 minutes it was like the lights came on and did you fall asleep yeah no I have though before yeah I have cuz it's so calm but this time I was is just like I I like to keep my this sounds this sounds very weird I like to keep my eyes open in the dark

Play from 0:04:36 8:88:88 0:04:36 cuz your brain just starts to fill in and like you can get really creative like with what's going on up there you know you're like blasting through the cosmos it's really it's a really an experience when you get in there yeah you come out with like ideas you come out with like or you know if you go in there with like an some sort of like I need to work this out or I need to think about this you get an hour to like a straight up when's the last time you actually had an hour to think without distraction yeah that's what I'm saying it's so hard you you have to be intentional about it now right like whereas in previous decades or generations of people like you didn't have to be intentional about that time you just got it right like if you're going to go out and mow the grass you get it you get you know take the shower you get it but like when smartphones came into the picture TVs came in the P all these different

Play from 0:05:21 8:88:88 0:05:21 media Outlets or headphones yeah I mean you just listen to stuff it's hard it's hard what's funny is I see people walking on the streets of New York without headphones I'm like wow you're really raw dogging it that's that's that's rough how are you walking 30 blocks without listening to anything and just thinking in your head I'm like either one I'm impressed or too like like that's that's tough that's like the people who watch who just like look at the flight map on the planes and don't do anything don't read don't like watch you ever seen people do that they just sit there and stare at the flight map that's like a new thing too that that that was like a little Trend it's like dude why would you ever want to do that rather do it in my own I I don't need I don't need bragging rights like that you know yeah I mean I would say like there are some flights like if it's like a hour flight or something two hours which I've done

Play from 0:06:06 8:88:88 0:06:06 plenty of those like I might just sit there you know like I might just sit there and chill and look out the window like I love the the airplane white noise that is the best white noise best it's so nice especially when they just close the cabin door and you get like that little drowsy feeling cuz the pressurization happens I'm like the one who falls asleep before takeoff and wakes up like as soon as we're in the air and I'm like damn can't SLE the I got to know what what seat are you what what kind of seat guy are you big time Isle yeah why if I I can't sit still I get up and go to the bathroom to be by myself like I really people think I'm weird I get up and go to the bathroom like four times it's not because I have to go to the bathroom I just want to go and like stand up and like be by myself for a little bit cuz I don't I just can't sit

Play from 0:06:53 8:88:88 0:06:53 there this seats are uncomfortable for me like my back never agrees with the with the angle of the seats no matter what so I'm just up I'm walking around people probably think I'm crazy but I'm just like I just can't sit for like to me the worst flight is like East Coast to West Coast us cuz you're not leaving the country and it's still like 6 hours and you're like by by Hour 2 or three I'm like all right come on like I gotta yeah you know I'm like that guy that's just like in the chair like come on back forward hands on the thing I I can't I just got to get up and move I I'm a I'm a window guy I love the window when you get it you know like if I had to go I'll go out of my way to get the window you know because I I like the idea of like you

Play from 0:07:39 8:88:88 0:07:39 having that just little extra space where you could lean against the wall yeah better versus the aisle I do like the aisle isle is my second choice and maybe a little mood dependent but like at the same time Isle my my thing is like people always smoke you when they come down the aisle like you got you got a knee out there and that cart you know that metal card food yeah I mean your drink cart is gonna just smoke your knee or something you know like always yeah I mean like so that's my thing but yeah I totally get it I also not a big fan of the people that use the recline on the planes in front of you like I hate it come on man cuz if you do it we all got to do it you know what I mean chain effect dominoes start to fall especially if I got my laptop up and you're going to do that all right so here's the come

Play from 0:08:26 8:88:88 0:08:26 on I said this to everyone I flew Korean Airlines from New York to Korea which is like a 16-hour flight direct and that was the best uncomfortable flying experience I've ever had where you know 15 hours on a plane is not comfortable for anyone if you're not sitting in first class or business class or whatever but like the respect Factor so much different like when they when people were sleeping and then like you were they were coming around with food and they had their seat back like the stewards were like like Stern they were like put your scene up like you know like be respectful like people are trying to eat here like you don't get to sleep while everyone's eating like put your seat up love it yeah put them in check man no one made noise no one was like like your typical flights you got people talking up in the aisles moving around like it was silent for 15 hours

Play from 0:09:13 8:88:88 0:09:13 like people were super like in the bathroom Line This was the this was the craziest thing I went to the bathroom I I had to blow my nose I blew my nose for whatever reason I threw it in the toilet like it's not in the garbage cuz the garbage probably like overflowing or something and like this woman as I walked out she goes like flush the toilet I was like wait what I didn't even realize that I did it like it's just oh sorry you know back and I'm like man get in line Rory geez there's rules here so cool though also no one was really that big so it wasn't like you know sitting next to going to Florida and sitting next to a dude that's like 250 lbs of muscle with like tribal tattoos in the middle seat which happens to me all the time does it yeah I sit next to my wife it's a running joke because we sit ale ale like we like to sit aisle ale so we can have like that's

Play from 0:10:00 8:88:88 0:10:00 cool like that yeah and then like she'll sit next to a woman that's about 110 lb and I'll sit next to the dude that's 300 lb or just like jacked and huge I'm like why the middle seat bro yeah yeah yeah like we need y'all to be the early ones to pick your seats on the floor yeah it's always the yeah you wait till the end you know like that's the problem but yeah man it's wild um yeah I I'm definitely like I feel like you and me we need to we need to trade some more of those like burnout counters you know the deprivation tank I like obviously like I know a lot of the the meditation I I actually just got a new steamer for my sauna here oh you have a sauna so I've got like a standup like a like a like a mini one right like not the $5,000 one

Play from 0:10:47 8:88:88 0:10:47 um but you know like the $500 a nice standup one and you know you get this little steamer boiling machine that that fuels all the steam in there and it was broken for a while and I just hadn't fixed it and I just I bought a new one last week I was like dude I need to get back in the sauna cuz like that even that space right just sweat it out after workout right before bed sleep better or if nothing else right just like get that meditation sense of just no device in there you literally can't bring the device in there because you you won't be able to function the smartphone anyway because your your fingers will be slipping off of it so you know just things like that man I got to get better at that because the burnout is real I I have been doing this this this sounds like so counterintuitive I am not above the addiction to the phone like I notice

Play from 0:11:34 8:88:88 0:11:34 that I'm doing it especially when I like sit down at night if I even have an hour to watch TV or something I put my charger purposely far away so I can plug my phone in and like watch television this sounds so boring you have but it's okay so I can like focus on something else other than what's going on on my phone on my notifications where you know this isn't a humble brag guys we do get notifications from like social media channels like all day I've had to mute those but like I see the red bubble and it's like oh I don't even I don't even put those on those are all off for me and and my phone's on vibrate always I I never have sound on and for sleep I always put my phone in a different room and I and I do the do not disturb like usually at like 9 p.m. on to 8 or 9 the next day that way it's

Play from 0:12:19 8:88:88 0:12:19 just like I don't even see anything purposely plug my phone in a like far away during the night time I don't want to like wake up and check it or anything or hear anything also my wife hates it cuz my phone's always on silence so if she ever calls me I'm just like ah sorry I didn't hear it yeah I mean but oops you know I saw something funny too it's like the evolution of ringtones where it was like we would go out of our way to buy these cool ringtones and now everybody's been using their phone on Vibra and Silent for like the last two plus years so it's like you've come full circle it's the those those were the best like I remember used I used to like go nuts for the ringtones to try and like find the good ones not even the buy one you know illegally download them off like lime wire or something oh yeah oh yeah there you go give give the computer

Play from 0:13:06 8:88:88 0:13:06 you know a venial disease and then just so I could have like the Thong Song as my ringtone hey we weren't Above This weren't above any of it at all that was that was the early 2000s you know we all we all burned how many how many CDs did you have like blank CDs in your house at one single time like I always had that was there was one thing I had was like always a stack of a hundred of blank CDs so I could burn musically Al yeah I mean I did I was sometimes the guy that would burn the CDs but I was usually just have my own stuff there back in that day you had that whole what was it like a briefcase of CD you know CD slots for for all your you know and then you had like a car version too right for the car it's like yo on the uh the fold down

Play from 0:13:51 8:88:88 0:13:51 mirror you oh yeah there was like a that was the best like the little CD libraries but there was like a there was a very short period of history with I think it was like maybe the early 2010s when cars started being able to read like DVDs as CDs so you could put like 400 songs on a on a DVD and then like it would play that way and I was like this is the coolest thing ever so I don't have to like you know when you get to that like oh I made this I made this like sick CD and it's like it has like 22 songs on it it's like doesn't fit and I'm like what am I going to cut I don't want to cut this you know I want to trim songs off this yes fire you know I was like the designated CD guy cuz I was obsess you were the guy I was Napster lime wire I was Finding YouTube converters early on to mp3s to figuring

Play from 0:14:37 8:88:88 0:14:37 out how I was like that was you know sorry YouTube I know we got copyright issues here but I was I was definitely that guy that was most stuff I couldn't find CDs for like any of the the house music I was listening to stuff like that I had to find it on the internet didn't sell it as a CD so it was like it couldn't take it into the car before Ox cords right like that was you get crafty you do we get crafty we got crafty back in the day but well let's go into um let's get into the meat man let's get into the the Midjourney stuff we've got oh yeah we've got the describe stuff uh maybe maybe let's start with the mood board stuff actually I'm really my computer's really struggling today let's go over here so just to like kind of share this with you guys Rory and I are putting together a collection of Premium mood boards so we've been really as you

0:15:00Deep Dive into Midjourney

Play from 0:15:24 8:88:88 0:15:24 guys know going deep into this stuff playing and testing with what works best we we covered a lot of this in last episode so if you didn't listen to that highly encourage that we go into the difference between uploading you know one to a dozen images all the way to filling it out with 100 images the difference what you should be looking for tips and tricks y y y but here we're gonna I think what we're going to do is we're going to offer sort of like a hub for this so that we can already include some of what we've got right and we're still in the process of filling this all out we're also going to include some bonus uh mood boards as well right so we've got our premium ones think of those as like tried true tested really proven out think of these as more like fun um they they're still really good I think in a lot of ways they're

Play from 0:16:11 8:88:88 0:16:11 maybe just a different component to these and then um inside of each of these we've got tips and tricks on how to best use that individual mood board things to try uh sample prompts yada yada yada and then the last part of this that I think we're thinking is really around um continuing to add value one thing that Rory and I do uh and have done with our Midjourney course right our guide is like continue to make updates right it would be silly for us to not make any updates at all to something that changes so quickly this is a great example of that too is like we want to continue to give you guys good stuff once you've uh you know opted into this that way you continue to experiment continue to use new things outside of what you just you know got when you got it all that being said um I

Play from 0:16:58 8:88:88 0:16:58 think there's some really cool stuff in here like it's fun playing with yours a little bit I love this I can't wait to like play with play with this Mescal one that that harsh contrasty black and white looks super fun to me the Japanese poster one I know I saw we talked about the iPhone raw a lot last time too like just creating that super realism aspect to it so I'm excited about this man I think this will be fun and this just be like kind of like another offering for you guys to just like you know keep you experimenting keep you having fun with the tool I had to get into that Lake CUO one when you did it I was like that's that's a Vibe for me I like the I love the lake Cuomo Style just in general but having it as a preset now very nice so yeah that's uh working on some other ones too

Play from 0:17:45 8:88:88 0:17:45 you know these I've actually found that it's you know for being really detailed and getting something that's very consistent is actually way harder than I thought um you know like the Mescal one for example it is super hard yeah had to go really deep on the srfs and like style weights and like getting different compositions and different things like that to get like a fully broad one that's tight at the same time meaning you can transfer you can put a lot of different prompts into it and it works and looks the same cuz you know if you want something tight like that that's what it has to be now on the other end there's some that are more like experimental in terms of like there's a lot of different Aesthetics in here but it'll provide cool effect so you know it's very it's a very delicate balance and I like playing with there there have been several instances

Play from 0:18:31 8:88:88 0:18:31 where I'm like oh this is going to be great I get into it I'm just like oh this is crap terrible like yeah had a bunch of so that's what I'm saying is I think this you know we we really thought hard about how to curate the right ones and then experiment with the right ones and then give these to you so they feel you know as good as possible when they when they're in your hands right because that's I I wouldn't want to use that if I'm just if things are too inconsistent right so the other opportunity in here too is I think we talk about hey these are the these are the types of things that we've noticed and played with that tend to work best right with this particular style mood board that's not an exhaustive list by any means but those are the things that you know we already know should work pretty well yeah and I think the uh the cool thing about it is if everyone was

Play from 0:19:18 8:88:88 0:19:18 you know watching last week starting to bash these things together that's really where the cool stuff comes out you know there's a real way to like add some real visual Firepower I think this is for a very experimental group too who's really interested in just like I want to go and add four profile codes and three mood boards and see what I get that's that's the kind of too that where you can find these little aesthetic like I don't even know what to call them like aesthetic signatures that Mash really well together um you found that doing this that that's probably the most fun thing I've done on Midjourney since you know maybe the srf codes when you could do multiple of them in one thing and I was just like oh my God let me just hit I mean mood boards can keep you busy for long time right because you've got all the different ways that you can play

Play from 0:20:03 8:88:88 0:20:03 with it um you know so you've got you could just use the mood board you can use a mood board with personalization you can use the mood mood board with different personalizations that you've got right so then then you can mash them together so you you know think about all the different micro decisions right we always talk about that but it's like let me let me run you know this one with motion mixed with every single mood board I have because Mo motion is more of an effect right like so you can stack effects with look right and and things like that you know so it's just the possibilities are endless um and it's a lot of fun man it's definitely a lot of fun we're going to keep adding to it you know we're always going to come up with you know Drew and I are going to go we catch fire you know when when these things come out and it's just like you get addicted it's like what else can we do how where else can we push this

Play from 0:20:48 8:88:88 0:20:48 that's just the way we are that's why we a whole damn podcast on it that's right yeah we're almost 30 30 episodes deep now bro so 30 plus hours of talking about Midjourney who knew yeah I mean really somehow it's 30 I think we did know I think we did know when we started we were like dude we could we could do this without even trying yeah we can keep talking about this stuff forever if they let us but yeah this is I so the mood board stuff super cool let's switch gears let's go into describe really quick too just to kind of show how that works so of course you had couple things here let me share my screen you had describe as it worked previously on the website which we'll just cover really quickly in case you didn't know because it it is sort of hidden which is here if you were to click this gives you all

Play from 0:21:33 8:88:88 0:21:33 your images you can click you know anything you want the the describe feature here is is sort of hidden in this piece right here you got to find this small I click that this is going to generate basically like clickable tokens or phrases that you can just add in right so it's like photograph of happy non burning books in her hands boom boom boom I can add these click click click right I can just add that and hit go now now there are multiple combinations when you use that way because it's really up to you which ones you want to pick and use now the the new way to do this that Midjourney just released is a more of like a drag and drop component so if I were to take let's see this and just drop this so it doesn't matter what screen you're on you could be explore create doesn't matter

Play from 0:22:20 8:88:88 0:22:20 if you take this drop it in here and you go to your create page you're going to see and I already did this but you're going to see these four options options pop up here and you can click any one of them to use that prompt or you can click this here to run all four of those prompts right so this is more like the the Discord you know use case in that sense uh being brought over to the website so it's just another option right like I I don't I don't know that this is like a needle mover for me I think there are just so many different ways to describe images now right like there's there's the Discord way there's the website way there's this new way there's the gpts which I know you and I use too like it's not hard to create your own GPT to just kind of like put

Play from 0:23:06 8:88:88 0:23:06 your stuff in a preferred format or structure style to use and I would say that's probably my go-to when I usually describe stuff but yeah I mean this just provides another Avenue right another way to do this I always like described for finding the little tokens like that was always like my yeah there you go there you go look why does it have Hasselblad at x2d 100 C and there you know what I mean like there's a there's probably a reason why some of this stuff is in there I've always found the describe function to be pretty useful for that because it's like what you know if you run do chat gbt sometimes doesn't say anything like that I've gotten way more cameras or film stocks from the Midjourney describe because there has to be some training data on it if it's out I agree like this

Play from 0:23:53 8:88:88 0:23:53 stuff right where you've got the in the style of yeah and then also technology reminiscent of right somebody but yeah like that's that's a good example of what you're talking about yeah the the cameras the the the artists there's always like these little ones you know like if you put something more if you put something more like surrealist in there too you know you get you get some crazy stuff I know you're good you're good at really good at mining tokens from like the explore page and stuff like that that you find and a few different ways that you search through them but this is always how I used to use describe like for very for things I had no idea how to describe let's put it that way um this is another one I did uh in frames and I brought over to Midjourney I like that say none like spray paint and skater die on this highrise um

Play from 0:24:40 8:88:88 0:24:40 but it's awesome composition too dude by the way oh thanks man yeah let's see let's see if we can get like I'm trying to look for like some of those cool tokens that you're talking about and put something surreal in there like something that doesn't you know maybe not as photo realistic like something that's a little bit more um you know yeah something that's got a little bit more like abstractness to it crazy yeah cuz that'll give it that'll then then it starts to pull out stuff like that that you're like uh what there you go so like known artist um gold let's see I'm G to refresh this let's see what else we gets down like David W Chappelle maybe that's the thing right like Discord felt like you got more and I think that also coincided with where

Play from 0:25:26 8:88:88 0:25:26 the model was but like you got more of those like abstract unique tokens that you just never even would have thought in a million years to come up with whereas this all looks like if I thought hard enough probably come up with all these maybe with the exception of the artist stuff right yeah would never know who those are unless I go click through and go to their Wikipedia pages but yeah just always found it to be like interesting for R like really random stuff like something like that like what type of effect is it going to is it going to provide when you put that in you know what I mean like is it going to is it going to say like Parallax or like Paradox effect or something let's see mirrors ah this fashion pH photography captures an Instagram baddy aesthetic what you know like that's a

Play from 0:26:13 8:88:88 0:26:13 perfect one think about that that's a whole prom trending on Reddit trending on Reddit hadn't seen that before interesting interesting look at that same reflection she's posing for an how do they know she's posing for an Instagram photo shoot that's wild kind of what kind of weird again see what else comes up yeah let's see one more silver sequins like see like see now I would take sequin because you know you get a sequin dress something like that that sequin I'd be like all right what can I play with with sequins like sequins is a good texture to add to something um even if it's non-related to clothing like now I'm like oh that's a good word I'm glad you brought that up that's a that's a really good point yes cuz that's that's how I think it especially in the early days we would really go about you know experimenting it's just like oh that's that's really neat let's

Play from 0:26:59 8:88:88 0:26:59 see what this does and then you take one piece of it and you build right yeah so this one's recognizing it as a Kodak photo which is interesting you know like there's glitch effect you have Kaleidoscope effect you have their own unique personality and styles ccope let me get something even weirder I I I think I have let me see if I have something that's like even weirder than that cuz I'd love to get into something where it's like really maybe I'll take I I have a photo in my head that I've created that could work well let's see if we can do this let's get out of here do here's a random question while you're looking I see orange there does do you ever do you ever get the feeling that Midjourney defaults to like orange a lot of the

Play from 0:27:45 8:88:88 0:27:45 times like as a color oh I don't know I feel like I always get orange like randomly a lot of orange really I don't prompt for it a lot but like it just shows up like in a lot of things that I do so like let me take something all right perfect yeah and I want to do it the old way so let's copy this let's get in here let's click this that looks like one of those mood board prompts that I was running with the for the uh just the craziness Factor it all yeah let's see full body otherworldly being still nothing like crazy n nothing like it used to be I feel like it used to go a little bit more a little bit more wild now I wonder what happens if you put it in the well drop it in the drop it in the Box real quick let's see okay yeah let's do let's do both let's do let me

Play from 0:28:32 8:88:88 0:28:32 change I'm going to change it to this one where was that one at that was here oh you know what I got to copy and paste it see like I think ux this is kind of the beauty and pain of Midjourney it's hard for new people to learn Midjourney because they don't make it super easy with the ux no this one specifically no would even know it's here I mean you and I mess up all the time like I I literally have to pause sometimes like wait how do I do this again cuz it's just like Okay so we've got let's see if we see anything like super weird here versus like what we're going to do here in a second where we just like drag and drop it in nothing like nothing crazy iridescent holographic but we've seen that a ton like we all the time let's take this out just like click and hold and then drag there we go so let's take

Play from 0:29:18 8:88:88 0:29:18 this remember we got to go over to create for that to show up so this is already thinking I mean I don't see anything crazy here either but you would like look at this you and you would think like there's probably some really interesting words that you'd have to use to describe that yeah I mean just R just run all those prompts see if you get anything even close yeah let's do this is why I used to test I used to test like shorten every you know I remember there was like a time and place where everyone's like shorten's the best and it's like it it takes out all the unnecessary stuff and then I'd run it and be like it just looks like a shitty I never really was a big fan of short but I did I like the the one interesting part about shorten was at the beginning where they you know would show you the weights you know and remember we we talked about that like how accurate that was but at least you got like some insight that was real early on you know and sort of like deciding oh okay like

Play from 0:30:05 8:88:88 0:30:05 hierarchy plays Factor like love this one this is dope yeah interesting like it doesn't look exactly like what you created but it created something pretty cool in itself you know like that's not that doesn't look like this doesn't look anything like it right and like this is also again one of those things where it's like okay now I've I've got the describe function I can run all four of these I can just change the personalization the profile or I could change the mood board on top of this and get completely different results too so it's interesting that it came that it came up like that like let's do wait let's try one more thing one more thing before we do this yeah take it into take it into editor anything and I just you just take it just take that same image that we put that we pasted into here oh okay and

Play from 0:30:50 8:88:88 0:30:50 then we'll we'll hit the suggest prompt I want to see if it looks different that's an interesting idea let's see yeah let's see cuz this is uh and then he hit suggest where's that suggest prompt let's see maybe run maybe run that in the create and see what happens I found this one to be pretty good like I actually like the ones that come out of edit like pretty I mean that didn't look like most of the stuff resembling you know have album cover in there we have let's put in the same aspect ratio yeah let's run this a couple times just see what happen yeah so this is interesting yeah this I like this idea though too right cuz this is another I wonder how this is treated this is essentially a describ but it's not described see this one I have a feeling like I've I've been liking that editor suggest prompt like it's had some really

Play from 0:31:36 8:88:88 0:31:36 good stuff when I put stuff in there um for whatever reason like these look a little bit different you know than the last are crazy yeah like that one's that one's insane even did the do the other ones have collage in the in the terminology in the in the tokens it says a collage there this have did this have collage in here the the most recent one from the editor function did this one did okay collage art yes you're right so let's take this out and let's see let's see what the other ones say uh we had this one no collage right nope what about this one rectangular holograph holographic lens nope no nope no last one no so yeah I think that that editor one got to me got the most dynamic out

Play from 0:32:24 8:88:88 0:32:24 of it yeah almost accurate too like cuz I know when I use the suggested prompt I I I never really go in and and alter it because it's like it Nails what I need needed to nail right because most of the time it's like oh I just want it to get the idea that way when I make the edit to like scale or you know change the aspect ratio that it's going to go fill in the the gaps the right way and I never have to really adjust it but this to me feels like a more accurate depiction of what was happening in the photo even though it's different results looks to me like a new mood board's coming from from from something like this yeah this is dope like this is crazy yeah that's that's the one thing that you know it's it's always been it's always been great with these sort of

Play from 0:33:09 8:88:88 0:33:09 collage mood board design you know I was trying to prompt the other day for a uh for like a detectives you know like uh what's it called bulletin board like all this stuff and like make that more of like a mood board style and it would came out pretty insane with some of the details and I was like you know put torn edges on things and like frame and stain the coffee stains and it was just getting all of it it's like this is fun I love that is awesome yeah cuz it's that's so that's I mean I hadn't thought to go back and try the editor function against describe but it looks like that editor I I like that I think that that's a big unlock just in real time right there because it's like we we we've used it but we didn't really think to use it in that way and I think that is an interesting way to use it cuz I've noticed some of the stuff that I put in

Play from 0:33:55 8:88:88 0:33:55 there and I'm just like that's really good like I don't that's than the describe prompts I used to get especi on I have no notes yeah it's like it's great I'm like looking through it to find something I'm like no come pretty much covering the bases of what I need but yeah that's that's interesting CU you know I kind of stopped using describe honestly like I really I haven't used it in a long time I haven't either yeah yeah it's was mostly for like finding you know we get we get complacent with our token usage I think every once in a while I am guilty of that of just being like I kind of have the same things that I'm liking and try to do every time but there's you know there's some good ones especially you know the create page is so much better now I will say the not the create page the explore page to me has gotten so much better like I find stuff that I like on there all the time now first when I used to go on I have to scroll

Play from 0:34:41 8:88:88 0:34:41 for like five minutes to find like oh that's really cool oh that's you know now I'm like the top the hot hot of the week the top of the day whatever those to me tend to be really really good now and maybe it's cuz we did some ranking on it but I uh found it to be way more use I know I mean I know they haven't said that they made significant changes to what you see there yet although that's been talked about is happening at some point so like I would imagine it's going to get even better but uh yeah you're right I I think it's way more align now also like if you if you are going about it that way don't forget to use that like smart search within the search so you know you see an image that you like click you know click that search icon within it and then get more iterations of that version right so so if you're like token hunting or looking

Play from 0:35:28 8:88:88 0:35:28 for a specific style like that that could also be a good way to utilize it I did that the other day for one of my Tulum images from the Toom video I did f is saying hi everyone yeah she she she wasn't around I was worried that she was yeah she's here I'm sure you can all here yeah she's here um but I was doing it and I was like oh let me run this let me just do the little search fun the smart search on on my uh tum stuff and I started going in there I'm like this looks like my aesthetic but I know I didn't do this one and I was just looking at it was like all like the same prompts and I'm like my are people are playing with this one and I like it and then I saw some cool stuff that people were doing with it so it's always fun to look and see you know when you post stuff online and then people take it and run with it and it's like all right I didn't know that people actually you know did this on their own I thought they just like looked at it and said okay cool but I was I was digging that

Play from 0:36:14 8:88:88 0:36:14 that was fun to watch where people went with the proms all using a lot of the same elements it's uh there's a you know are we are we going to go are we going to are we going to sort of pontificate on there's my SAT Word yeah I like it are we going to talk about what we heard on office hours cuz there a lot of stuff yeah let's go like I mean I I got them pulled up but why don't you go ahead and start with what's on your mind about it we can just kind of so he I said this I think on the last episode where they don't really hype stuff right like they don't they don't hype things when they do it's really good but David actually said that on office hours I caught that when he's like I don't really like to Hype things but they were pretty hype about what was going on with like 3D and video I was like all right it went from no 3D to we're

Play from 0:37:01 8:88:88 0:37:01 hyped about it and we're also hyped about video and the way the approach they're taking I think with with video and 3D is very very interesting like the video side of it where they they wanted to be more fun and less Technical and more sort of creative I'm like all right you know what I would appreciate that cuz some of the other tools that I'm using they are technical they are sort of laborious in terms of that like getting what you want but I would love to see more of like a if I could do like you know srf and image prompt with video kind of stuff you know what I mean like really take a lot of mid-journey functionality like chaos or you know stylize like that kind of stuff like applying parameters to videos in the same way that you can with Midjourney like to me that would be really cool just for like fun creative output versus like super super Cur or super curated

Play from 0:37:48 8:88:88 0:37:48 simple stuff yeah um like that that to me got me excited cuz like I said I don't think he really he really boasts too much about stuff like they're always just like yeah it'll be out uh working on it it's going to be good it'll be done you know so when to hear them be excited about something yeah that that definitely sounded like the case yeah yeah that was interesting to hear for sure um and the focus on storytelling because that was what the that was where I think if you're if you're lining up the the reasons why people get upset with Midjourney which I'm sure there's a million but it's like consistent characters consistent scenery consistent objects consistent things they said it's like that's the focus like moving forward storytelling we want people to like tell stories and create things here so that was uh you know I think we we

Play from 0:38:34 8:88:88 0:38:34 heard that character character reference like in their estimation is a four out of 10 currently I think is pretty good expecting it to be a nine out of 10 that's a big jump yeah know yeah they big jump they brought that up they also talked about you know it seemed to be very specific to characters you know and then you could use objects with character consistency and we you know we're not really sure how that's going to turn out but it should work okay but I started to hear more and more about object reference too within that right so like one of the expected improvements even in the office hours notes here I'm reading it just object and character references logos mugs faces dogs

Play from 0:39:21 8:88:88 0:39:21 monsters I don't just random monsters logos mugs right like those mugs is a perfect example of just an everyday object logo is really interesting right because it's just like there are more fine-tuned and specific things that apply to that that would have to be absolutely correct in order for it to work and work well MH I love that I was like these are these are like little things that are helpful that they're working on the other thing I heard too was a you know an update to the editor feature in terms of like smart select which is what we've been like if if you're going to add something to the editor like I think it's already good enough outside of like really like the inp like what are we yeah what are we talking about with this Advanced editor prior to what they've talked about with the idea of like 3D mhm this

Play from 0:40:08 8:88:88 0:40:08 was did he did he mention something did I hear this right about like layers did I hear something along layers layers use verbatim so okay it's interesting makes me happy very interesting thing yeah like I don't need too much there but if you give me something to play with on the layer side I'll be like that's cool thank you like foreground midr background like that kind of stuff if I could just play with that I'd be great also the they did reiterate too like that this was stated right this for a long time was just us I think like hypothesizing about what this would be but it's like capability for moving camera angles and reframing images is a major goal right like that wasn't really explicitly said before but we've

Play from 0:40:56 8:88:88 0:40:56 been I think we've been talking about that since we started this podcast was when we heard 3D you know that was instantly what came to mind for us is just like the idea that you could have a good image but turn it into a great image just by sliding a camera left or right 5 15 degrees right to get like this very unique or better angle for that scene and that was explicitly pointed out there and and David just on top of that pointed that out he goes you know I don't I didn't see this before you know like he said it he's like I I didn't really understand this but now I'm fully convinced that there are so many images that are created on Midjourney that could be so much better if you had that capability totally and I

Play from 0:41:42 8:88:88 0:41:42 was like yeah I mean like that's at 100% like that would be the the absolute home run and I think then it kind of comes down to well how's Midjourney sort of pivot on the idea that you you're going to be creating less and less images right you can create less images now you probably are with the exception of when things like mood boards and style references get dropped because those are such game changers and you want to experiment and those are very addicting but in general when you talk about being able to move camera angles if you've got the right scene developed it doesn't really matter the initial composition or the camera angle so do you really need to run that 20 different times or do you need a good enough starting point that just can be manipulated within the tool that's a

Play from 0:42:29 8:88:88 0:42:29 good point I didn't even think about that they did say they were considering some some pricing tier options maybe that has to bake that into it where they might need to they charge a little bit more they don't want to go too much higher on their basic tier allegedly especially for video they're looking at how they're going to price for that which you know I get it you know I wonder what that's going to actually look like at the end of the day cuz the the 3D thing very interest like it's a good point that if you just areen able to edit however you want you're going to generate X less images you know I still think we'll probably I think I maybe answer that in my own mind while I was talking it's just there are other there's so many other cool ways to use Midjourney now that maybe probably won't be the case but you know what I'm saying I I think that changes the process to a degree though like if I've got a very I've got

Play from 0:43:14 8:88:88 0:43:14 a certain scene in mind and I've got the elements present in there and they're lined up to a good enough degree I can manipulate it you know from there I I don't have to create it a million times and I'm kind of doing that right now too with editor it's like if I've got the subject you know like especially if I'm doing a face if I've got a face I really like even if the composition is like let's just say they're dead pan Center I don't care anymore because now I can just take that an editor and slide them wherever I want or I can change the aspect R you know like there doesn't matter it doesn't matter so you know I think it's a similar effect there it's just like you can really turn good images to great images once you're going to have that capability I just wonder how that's going to work you know like I just I'm I'm very I'm

Play from 0:44:02 8:88:88 0:44:02 very optimistic about it but I'm also very like this could be awesome in theory and then like just not great in practice like you know Patchwork seemed like great in theory before we actually got on there and heard about it and then it was like I went to try it and I'm like I don't even know what the hell to do here like I got to go through a portal to get to like a world yeah what's going on here so I hope they I hope they make it you know Patrick is only thing that I think I've been like not yeah I'm like not you know editor when it came out was like that's exactly how we wanted it like that was what we that was the one that was like we we basically laid that plan out we were just like yo like talk about creating talk about creating in layers talk about creating in painful steps right like you had to zoom pan change aspect ratio you

Play from 0:44:51 8:88:88 0:44:51 know like you had to do all these things that would have taken you like five or six rerolls just to go through that and now you can do it in one right it's just like damn and it's I still think it's I think it's good like I use it all the time the editor now like I used to not use it that much but now I'm just like instead of trying to do certain things I'm just like let me get in there and just play around because you can get some really cool stuff especially like when you're playing with mood boards now and have those attached in terms of like your editor images like I've I've just been getting like when you expand or you like you shift the shift the perspective around erase some parts of the areas you get some really cool stuff like you know with theard attached the one thing I would love to see get better and I think will get better likely because of the way it has to be developed with 3D is

Play from 0:45:37 8:88:88 0:45:37 when you do drag and move something around with that editor if you leave too much space on Left Right top or bottom it's you start to get the weird stuff yeah you know and so it's like hey if I've got you know somebody dead center and I want to move them all the way to that bottom right or the right side of the frame and fill in too much space I to run it several times on the roll or like get a get to a good enough spot where it's like okay this is better now there's just this piece that I need to clean up now and paint that out and then generate it right like you just still get the weird stuff which you know just extends it it it it's kind of painful to go through but it's much better than it was it is much better than it was and I I do appreciate the especially this now like this little suggest prompt thing

Play from 0:46:24 8:88:88 0:46:24 which has seemed to be working very well seeming can do some cool stuff but I you know I said the other thing I was getting I like interesed there was one thing he said on office hours that I was he keeps saying he's like people keep thinking of us as like a product company we're like a research company so we're doing a lot of things like you don't know what we're doing and you know secret projects who knows what the hell they are but I Room didn't really land for me until now when he was like he also kind of like poo pooed Patchwork a little bit which I was like okay they're like self-aware that that was kind of a flop and he's like it's a it's part of our research like so they are probably doing some really cool stuff like in regards to that that has nothing to do yeah remember they hired the they hired a hardware team haven't heard nothing on Hardware in a while which means that they're working on

Play from 0:47:10 8:88:88 0:47:10 something with there you know like so what's that you know and then um you know the video component that was the other part that I think you you were just kind of touching on but we didn't really go into much detail into which was he talked a lot David talked a lot about the video model and there there is going to be this sort of like they're in this dilemma right because it's like if you want to create a really good video mile it's going to be expensive they're not VC backed how many how much are people going to pay for that right and then also looking at their existing user base a lot of people are still on those lower tier PLS like there are crazy like us out there for sure but you know for the most part it's like people on the 10 or the $30 plan which is okay but that's that you've got to factor that in from the business standpoint of thinking okay

Play from 0:47:56 8:88:88 0:47:56 well how much are people going to pay for video because we're going to eat the cost on video and it needs to it needs to pay itself back right this isn't VC funded so you can't just burn the money it doesn't matter so that that part of it is interesting because it's like I don't think they're going to roll out video just to roll out video if it's not up to a certain standard they're not going to do that so yeah I think that's that sounded like something that they're still trying to figure out I think for me like how much how much would you pay let's let's say based on what we know about was it vo Veo and Sora and just like the top-of-the-line video right now let's say it was better than that how much would you pay a month like a range

Play from 0:48:41 8:88:88 0:48:41 like the whatever the normal payment is for the you know the $10 $20 a month I'll pay for that I'm already giving them like you know give them enough money throughout the course of the year but like I've seen the thing is like I've seen I have now access to to Google to Veo it's incredible I don't know how from a real from a realism standpoint no one's competing because it's way too it's way too tightly trained on way more data than anybody else probably has from YouTube like I'm I'm working on a little video with it right now I'm like I could pass this thing off 100% like I sent it to my friends the other day and they were like this is AI like not even like you know they were like no really like we're trying to find stuff I'm telling you this is that one's crazy now there's

Play from 0:49:27 8:88:88 0:49:27 different uses right like I like it for that purpose of it but also can it have a creative capability that Midjourney can have no probably not but I wonder if they're going to go like they said they've been talking about a number of different ways to do this are they going to go the open source route are they going to use Hunan or however the hell you say it and train their own model off the back of an open source model I don't know sound partnering yeah yeah so I don't know what the I don't know how it would be that I think it would depend on if I would use it like if it's good and it's fun like they said and it has like let's say it's the best let's just say it's the best oh yeah how much would you pay per month for good video I'm just curious I think this is like interesting conversation I double my subscription

Play from 0:50:12 8:88:88 0:50:12 price or I pay the I'm on the max plan so I I think the same yeah I think that's a that's a really good yeah like without thinking logically whether that makes sense like that that idea of just doubling it and having the highest quality yeah I I would do that I mean I paid $200 a month for Sora when it came out and I was like let's see yeah yeah don't anymore because it's it's good but it's not worth $200 like maybe another update it'll be great but right now to me for what I use it for it's like nah it's not worth $200 so that's uh that's just my sort of opinion on it I would love to get I would love to like get a test run at it I mean if you're going to give us like a you know a little beta situation like

Play from 0:50:58 8:88:88 0:50:58 they did with the website you know give us a little bit of time to get used to it like you know you could you could charge me more if you gave me a taste you know if you're asking me to buy it on Blind Faith Like a double the price like that's I did that with Sora agree yeah and like that flopped right so I think again like I'm willing to pay more if the product is right I just don't want to I just don't want to go and you know again do the blind the the Blind Faith thing like I did with Sora and was like God damn it you know that was that was a flop for great it's awesome I love it but it's way too much effort to to like well and and then we're going to see too like this you know then you've got the amateur video makers from people that are going to take this and use it

Play from 0:51:44 8:88:88 0:51:44 in production right like you and I are not filmmakers in that sense so it's like how you know like for us what makes sense for us like I I want something that's high quality doesn't take you know like there's not feature overload it feels kind of light I'm sure there are going to be some complexities to it but I think there's a cut off for that crowd versus giving too many controls and going too far for more of like people that are already filmmakers people are already producing you know videos like there's that component too is like if you're the company releasing it how far do you want to go with that yeah yeah it's I'm I'm interested to see how it'll look because it feels like all of the other tools are pretty much they have like this very similar sort of like

Play from 0:52:31 8:88:88 0:52:31 ux where it's just like okay like text prompting still really big you know you have to have good reference images to get good you know to get good videos if you're going to do text or if you're going to do image to video like I'm just curious to see if it looks different like if it is more so on this the same way they've done with images where it was image reference style reference have the different parameters for for micro controls so you don't have to do you can have a little bit more creative balance than just here's do exactly what I say which is what pretty much is the other ones you're trying to get them to do that's right um that's a great without cuz not like it's like when you you know when you type in awardwinning photo in Midjourney you could go you could spam the gamut and you can get really great stuff if you do that on any other platform you really don't get anything just kind of like me you know that's

Play from 0:53:18 8:88:88 0:53:18 same thing with video that's always what we come back to and it's always the point yeah like that's that I think is is a great point and that's why like even sometimes with those video tools it's nice to just let it like Let Let there not be a text prompt like just blank one shot it see what it comes up with just to kind of like almost test its creativity where's this going to take this doesn't do much to be honest I know that's what I'm saying and I think that like could be super valuable right like if you've got something that you can get great results even with just like no text prompt and letting it do its thing that would say a lot about the tool yeah the only one that that the only one that has it I will give it its flowers is Mini Max like I was going to say I was going to say it does pretty yeah does very minimal and it'll give

Play from 0:54:04 8:88:88 0:54:04 you something give you something decent like if you put something like that in cling 146 and just write cinematic scene and then put an image in it'll look sharp and defined it just like won't do much like runways the same way it won't do much unless you give it some Direction but I would like that let's wrap up with like the V7 stuff you know there was the comment on last office hours too that they fell another week behind because of the they they found something else in training it so now I I I think we're looking at last week of February I to take a guess yeah you know but there there's there's that component which again V7 the consistent characters it sounds like as they're getting closer and closer though they have more and more confidence specifically David does

Play from 0:54:50 8:88:88 0:54:50 with how good that model is going to be um oh my God my computer hates me today it's going to be so bad on my side I'm like freezing every 10 seconds well you're locally right so yeah back yeah you're good you're just a little borry am I yeah okay well so so I mean I like the the thing with is I'm curious with with V7 um how different it's going to be M and I think now as we've gotten closer to the potential launch date we've heard more and more confidence around how different it's going to be and the quality month ago I was on a call where it was just like didn't really sound that exciting you know I

Play from 0:55:36 8:88:88 0:55:36 was just like what are we doing this for you know like the coherence is going to change this is going to change like should I be excited about this now there's a lot more exciting excitement being pumped in that I'm hearing right like in terms of the quality terms of the coherence in terms of the consistent characters like several of the things sound super compelling and I'm excited about and to your point like David doesn't get overly hyped he said that but like you could tell he was hyped when he was talking about that yeah it feels like it's probably going to be pretty good I would be uh you know we're going to be like we'll we'll both I think we'll probably have the same reaction as we had to like V6 and 6.1 like the first day or two we like eh and then like 3 days later we're like holy you know this this time let's do something this time where it's like when

Play from 0:56:22 8:88:88 0:56:22 it launches you and I just find some time maybe we'll crowdsource this too but we could just like let's just get on a call and just like play round with together yeah Jam see what we can do cuz this is I feel like I've done the same thing like for 5.2 for 6 for 6.1 I was like immediately I was like okay and then it took me like 2 weeks and then I'm like much better you know like it just yeah I guess we expect so much that it's like when the jump happens it's like okay it's that good I I think that's right every time it's like oh is that it you know and then you you figure things out it's not like the video tool jumps you know like the video tool jumps like you get on the new model of what was previously and you're like whoa like that is huge Improvement Midjourney I feel you got to go a little

Play from 0:57:07 8:88:88 0:57:07 bit further than that cuz you could still just type you know I feel like if you just typed in like dog on Midjourney without personalization you'll still get that same Illustrated style that you got in V4 you know like without having anything else but like you really have to go down the prompting Rabbit Hole to find like where the nuances are in terms of like how's the how's this aesthetic going to work can I control this is it going to be like VI more vibrant is it going to be more you know are the faces in the background going to work better like are we going to be able to control more of this stuff you never know but it just takes to me it always takes like two weeks to really fix me the smush face fix the Smo SM face please no more Smo face that'd be amazing showing someone magnific the other day one of the in the training just

Play from 0:57:53 8:88:88 0:57:53 watching great image I'm like let's put it in and then we turned up the fractality and W and just like wiped it over the face and it was like perfect they like what the hell it's like yeah this Tool's awesome amazing yeah well magnific um but yeah man I'm I'm I'm just excited I think like it's been so long since uh they had a big model drop but you know the six came out la like what December 23 right was it that long ago yeah damn okay yeah 6.1 July right July is yeah I remember it was that and gen it was like that and Runway gen 3 at the same time which was like Runway that came off the code Tales of all the Sora BS where there was like you know then everyone's still using like these other

Play from 0:58:39 8:88:88 0:58:39 models that weren't great it was like you know and then Runway dropped the 10-second generations with like all the crazy movement you're like what the and then midj is like 6.1 so yeah stuff tends to happen all in all in bunches but we'll we'll be here for it we'll be we'll be talking about it we'll be maybe going live for it I like it let's do it all right yeah let's do that should wrap this one up let's wrap it up man yeah think we got a lot out there but this was um good it was good to good to talk through some of the stuff I think we're all just like kind of anxiously waiting we're in that like Purgatory period so it could be you know you could get that update next week it could get be here in a month but we're going to keep focused on mood boards and just being a little bit crazy in the meantime so yeah I would I would say that's that would be

Play from 0:59:25 8:88:88 0:59:25 like if you're using this for fun I would recommend mood boards and the personalization stuff right now like you know now's a great time to train a new model on your personalization try to get some free hours while you're doing it also the mood board stuff I think because it's it's not so black and white right there's so many things to figure out there so the more you experiment with that the more you're going to sort of understand how how to best use it so there's plenty to keep us busy but yeah I agree man I I think for me I want to I got to get out of just the mindset of just like creating images and actually doing stuff with them too you know like yeah you know not just saying like this is upscale now like it's great I'll use it when I use it you know like just going back to like that nun example and and like something I put out last week it's just like I got to get around to

Play from 1:00:10 8:88:88 1:00:10 like actually putting this into a final stage that that I am really creating it for when I'm going through it but I'm just not finishing up on it so yeah good time for I like it it looks like a poster maybe we'll make some T-shirts guys at some point not to just merch but maybe because we just want to give it a shot I think we got to do merch in 2025 yeah honestly don't I don't like Hawking stuff but it's like if we're going to you know do t-shirts as a challenge like can we make something cool you know like I that's how I would see it is like do people like this do you know hell yeah I wouldn't go into something like that expecting to make a million dollars it'd be like can we sell some cool stuff is it cool do people even I just think it'd be fun to see people wear the stuff like publicly you know Le less about actually

Play from 1:00:56 8:88:88 1:00:56 like anything with the monetary part but I just think it's cool to to turn like an idea that we talked about with the podcast utilize the tool that we're talking about to do something that we haven't done before which is like put it into something like tangible that you could wear I mean that's dope there's I I've had that feeling before by the way when I used to be a T-shirt designer so I had like I remember I had a T-shirt designer yeah when I was doing when I was more in graphic design I was doing t-shirts for we got to do it then we got to do this yeah so there was there was one I did in a it was like almost like a child's drawing style like neon colors for Shark Week and it went nuts on sales for some reason and like I used to see people on the street with it every once in a like weird sh that's super dope I

Play from 1:01:41 8:88:88 1:01:41 don't know what happened why it what to me it wasn't a great looking one I just threw it in there as something different to like suggest and they're like oh we like it whatever throw it on the Ecom store sick it was like our number one seller for like six months oh yeah I think we gotta I think we got to do something like that yeah it was fun but Let's uh you know on that idea let's wrap it up and uh we'll be back next week we'll figure something out uh I think we can go in a couple different directions to with where we want to dive into but be on the lookout for the mood board stuff guys we'll drop that also if you've got other things that are on your mind that you want us to cover always feel free to drop those in the comments anywhere whether that's Spotify whether it's YouTube whether it's LinkedIn wherever we're at x uh you can do that as well and uh yeah we're looking forward to it we always enjoy these thanks for joining us and Rory what do

Play from 1:02:27 8:88:88 1:02:27 you got to say as always as is tradition like And subscribe please thank you there it is all right see you guys see you goodbye