Ep. 13: Midjourney After Dark: AI Video Wars, Style Code Exploration, Artistic Attributes +, More

0:00Intro

Play from 0:00 8:88 0:00 welcome to Midjourney Fast Hours and we're back with another edition of our Infamous Midjourney after dark which means we get to enjoy being adults and bring a glass with us so cheers to that welcome back everybody I know you guys missed us because we we skipped an episode a long story behind that you know maybe we'll get into that long story short we probably try to work that out for two hours probably spent just as much time as we normally would have shooting a podcast and still didn't get a podcast out of it so not the best not not my best moment then we had a guest too but we're we're bringing them back next week so that'll be great but uh yeah man let's let's do this thing you know it's been a minute I know we're chomping at the bit to get into some stuff but uh how's everything been dude it's good the baby is away for a couple

Play from 0:46 8:88 0:46 days so my my aunt decided she was just like we're taking the baby for a few days I said okay um sounds great cuz you know it's been a little bit of a crazy week I I stepped on a nail walking my dog in Brooklyn went right through my sh into my foot so you know slight brush what did you do did you go to the hospital for that or what well first I acted like a grumpy old man just uh you know stomping around and cursing in the middle of the night with my dog my dog's all you know upset because she thinks I'm yelling at her and I'm just like godamn mother pissed okay so this was at so this was at night oh this was at night I couldn't see anything and uh you know I thought it was like a wood chip in my shoe so I just shook my foot around I was like all right it's fine I'll be good and took the next step and it was like

Play from 1:31 8:88 1:31 so this went into your shoe and then you're like oh this is just something in here and then you proceeded to step on it correct and it was a like a 2in block of wood that was attached to the bottom of my foot and then you know it's like one of those things you're pissed it's like the middle of the night like I'm not going to go to the hospital or urgent care right now then it starts creeping into my mind I'm like I was going to say when I get a tetanus shot when was the last time I got that and nobody knows nobody knows off the top of their head and I was also thinking like you probably went to bed and you were like dude am I gonna wake up am i g to have like am I GNA have to amputate my foot because get green on that [ __ ] like you know it's such a little tiny such a little tiny hole in the foot but like you just know it could wreck your entire like next 6 months if

Play from 2:16 8:88 2:16 you don't do something about it then like you know I had to go to a one-year-old birthday party at a at a farm the next day so I was you know hobbling around limping you know carrying the baby just like you know Trucking through everyone's like what's wrong I was stepped on a nail you know like an idiot so I had to rush back to urgent care and I was you know like to the doctor I'm like it doesn't hurt that much it's not it's not bad she goes doesn't matter do you know what you step on on the New York streets do you know what that nail just went through on the bottom of your shoe and then implanted right in your foot I'm like don't don't talk about it like that and then she pressed it and I was like ow all right cure the cure for cancer the cure for cancer might have been on the end of the other end of that nail you never know man you really you really don't know what you know this is a New York I mean it was probably covered in Rat piss and uh you know tons of other different New York lateen substances but

Play from 3:05 8:88 3:05 luckily jack myself full of antibiotics and I think and you're here you're here yeah we'll give it a day or two amazing dude and without a kid lucky you you bastard look at hobbling around hole in the foot this is life this is mid after well for me we're we just finished our parade of three and four-year-old birthday parties you know we just wrapped up that we we had about four weeks in a row you know where we had had a birthday party and then there was a weekend where we had two in one day whoa and then another one the next day so you had three in one weekend like how my kids are three you know like how popular can your kid be and you apparently the whole the whole class had birthdays in September you have two so it's double the popularity you know yeah yeah it's

Play from 3:52 8:88 3:52 true I mean they are in separate rooms now they in O all right they the same friends or they have like different friends uh pretty much the same but one's in Green Room one's in yellow room you know so different kids in those classes you know what I mean that's s I'm surprised they separate yeah man wild time out here my thing to like [ __ ] with them is just dress them the same every day anyway you know what I mean yeah they they're going to start pulling that stuff I would have absolutely just gotten myself into a [ __ ] ton of trouble with that of course you have to it's like write a it's like you know write a passage if you're a twin you got to do it dude so what what else is going on man I because nothing's going on with Midjourney we're waiting for something big to drop obviously we've talked about this ad nauseum in terms of like the big things V7 3D

Play from 4:40 8:88 4:40 video but you know it just kind of feels like it's it's been a minute it's been a minute since we've gotten something to to sort of like grasp on to now having said that like that also gives us plenty of time to you know to to play around with the tool and just kind of utilize what's already there because obviously there's so many things you can do in the tool right and it's easy to kind of forget about you know how many options I guess you do have at your disposal but you know have you been uh I guess with Midjourney specifically have you been working on anything specific lately are you going down any sort of rabbit hole or testing anything out or like what are you doing right now in the tool it's a bunch of things I I probably if anyone subscribes to my newsletter I've said this like six times like expect something big from them soon because they've been relatively quiet I'm starting to look like an idiot now after like 3 or 4 weeks of saying that but hey

Play from 5:26 8:88 5:26 you know typically when they go quiet for this long something something decent is happen but no man I think you know with a lot of the video generators just like been been covering this a lot is like these AI video Wars there's like every week it's something new yeah I was going to say like not even like I'm just watching you know and it seems like it's almost like every other day yeah cuz I mean you look at what it was like with the image generators right like it was Midjourney updating really that was what you were getting updates on Leonardo would throw some stuff in there Dolly it seems like the Forgotten stepchild of open AI they just like completely forgot that that tool existed and uh just went to Sora maybe they're working on it in the background who knows but you know you get the you get the flux stuff you get the idiogram came back I think I said this probably like two or three weeks

5:45AI Video Wars

Play from 6:12 8:88 6:12 ago Pik Pika came back tongue and cheek I was like does anyone even remember P or idiogram and here they are back from the dead you know I think they even made a joke about that on their Twitter like we're back good to see you guys it seems like Runway just another one today with adding key frames brings them into the key frame discussion now you know we don't have to go kind of like jump back and forth platform to platform if you're using Luma or you know for that or clling or whatnot and it seems like you know clling just did motion brush and you got you know paa 2 now and now minia Max is coming out with like this crazy sort of like experimental type you know video generation where you get some really realistic stuff but some really morphe stuff so it's all kind of you know to me it's just wild the video stuff has been more Diversified and kind

Play from 6:59 8:88 6:59 of stacking on top of each other with features while the the image side hasn't really done much and out a lot of new features on the image side other than flux really I agree man I agree and like it is interesting because like it it feels like the pressure and the competition to move fast has impacted how these companies are sort of rolling out almost like these like I for example right this this last key frame thing like I'm sure it's a big deal but like how big of a deal is it like is does it seem like maybe it's more of like hey because we're Runway or because we're one of these groups we're gonna sort of like roll out pieces so it seems like we're updating constantly because it like to your point there's so much news and updates fed specifically with video

Play from 7:46 8:88 7:46 and I think there's still like a large part of that market share that has to settle you know like I know that I know runway's got some loyalist but outside of that like I don't feel like I could be wrong but like I don't feel like lum's got loyal I feel like cing maybe does to some degree but like Minnie Max feels like new still P hadn't been around for you know a while done anything right so like it almost feels like there's still a lot of that market share up for grabs I guess and loyalty and sort of like none of those had sort of that Midjourney you know intangible that we like to talk about a lot yeah I think there's the one thing that was interesting and you know get this question a lot of times and I'm like I use all of them for different things cuz they all do things better you know than the other which like give us

Play from 8:33 8:88 8:33 give us a little taste of that what what are you using and what are you what do you find to be the things that you use each four yeah so Runway to me text to video is the best that's just my opinion straight text to video 10sec long Generations you can get really dynamic in the motion you can get really good stuff without an image reference so I really like that for that platform now when I wanted key frames like when I wanted to control really like the input and the output of a of a video I was going to Luma but Luma only does 5sec Generations then you got to extend it and then also you can't put another like key frame in on the back end of it so it's kind of just a random generation on the back end to get to a 10-second video so it's kind of like if I just needed

Play from 9:19 8:88 9:19 like a short little frame sometimes lumo would work I don't know why maybe I'm missing something can someone tell me in the comments if I'm missing something why can I not just hit like either reuse prompt in L run I don't want to go put go back open up my desktop put the two key frames in type out the whole prompt again hit enter just hit a freaking reroll button I mean is it that hard seriously are you paying for Luma yeah I'm paying for all these things unfortunately I forget it's like $18 a month something like that okay yeah dude it was it was crazy they're on the back corner right now I I don't I don't use Luma a ton and I'm not really creating that many videos right but like I was I am paying for Runway right now I'm not really using using it that much but I was running a test the other day remember that maybe you saw

Play from 10:04 88:88 10:04 that post I like I had those golden Nike sneakers that was that were being held by like a waiter you know and I was trying to add motion to it I ended up posting this on my Instagram but I was weighing you know the output that Runway would give me and Luma would give me just just a test but like Luma I don't pay for and no [ __ ] running a couple of those took 4 hours to get something back and I was just like yeah like what are we doing 4 hours you know what I mean like yeah I mean I know I'm look I know I'm not paying for your tool but if you're trying to get people to opt in like they do need to see the impact of the tool or the value that's there you know like I'm not going to wait four hours so you know how many generations am I going to run after that but what

Play from 10:49 88:88 10:49 are you using like cling for though I know a lot of people really like cing a lot so I am a I don't know how to put this I gave cling a shot and I tried to generate stuff and it was 6 hours later still had generated so was like maybe cuz I didn't pay for it the free trial just doesn't work I'll get on there eventually at a certain point it's just like I have things to get done and if it's going to if it's going to do that to me and that's the first shot that I get and that's my first operation or my first test run like sorry guys like you know I'm just going to use Runway cuz look I understand it's probably really good and people love it and the new motion brush thing looks really cool I will get to it I think once Runway brings motion brush back they will they've said that from you know straight from the CEO's mouth this pulls me a

Play from 11:34 88:88 11:34 little bit further away from Luma now when you can do the key frames first and last frame maybe it's just me I thought Luma was really good in the first like couple phases of it like the first couple and then it kind of got I don't know what happened did something like pollute the DAT I know right like there there seems to be some degradation across a lot of these AI tools I don't know what that is honestly I don't know if someone's smarter than us in the comments which you guys 100% are probably bro yeah like when you initially release a model let's just say you've trained this thing for however many hours and however many images or videos like it's probably all high quality stuff so I don't know when people start inputting their own stuff like if it's just you know if I make typos and I just have like you know I type the wrong prompt for the wrong

12:08Platform Comparisons

Play from 12:19 88:88 12:19 image does it like start to screw with the the learning of the entire thing is it cataloging when I copy the wrong prompt and put it in with a different image like with a human and you start getting bad information you start getting Dumber same kind of situation so I don't know if it works like that when it comes to the video and image generation I'm assuming that's what happened with ChatGPT for a while there it's funny cuz I sent one of my conversations to to my buddy he works at the UN and it was just like you know some some crazy rabbit hole that I went down the other night and he's like he's like dude it's it's calling you bro and dude and it's sounds like you when you talk I was like yeah I trained it that way but he's like he's like I Gaslight mine is that bad I was like I don't know you know I don't know where it's going you know I'm I'm trying to you know whenever I open up a chat window I'm

Play from 13:05 88:88 13:05 like bro we got something exciting to work on today and it typically responds oh yeah it's like hell yeah dude let's do it I'm like not like do this for me effing robot my thing is always just out of habit I'm always asking can you you know and it's just like that's so unnecessary like just do this and then I always say like thank you or this is great you know like it's but I think also with video you know just going back cir goinging back to that point for a second it almost feels like we're in this middle stage of there's the crowd that tries to create this perfect video given where the tech is currently at and that's the majority of people and it's almost like trying to you know push that square peg into a circle hole or what is

Play from 13:51 88:88 13:51 it like circle into a square peg what are we what how come I always get confused what is this what is the saying square peg into a circular hole round hole hole round hole round square peg into a round hole that's the name of the episode somebody let us know comment yeah yeah pretty sure that one's it anyway but you know what I mean like because it's not there it's it's like you have to very very carefully curate it and run all these generations and like on the image side yes you still have to do that but it's gotten a lot better than it used to so you've got that crowd but then you've also got sort of the crowd of like people that will just take advantage of almost those mishaps that the video provides right like almost like that morphing and so forth and that's a part of the style it's just kind of interesting to see how

Play from 14:38 88:88 14:38 that works because there really is no middle ground right now you know it's like either you're accepting that or you're trying to completely ignore it by by generating this perfect thing but when we're talking about this next year I mean what are we what are we talking about like what what is this I don't know it's it's going to be you know I think it's going to be crazy the one what else is while to your point what you just said about how people can make basically art with the morphing of the generations right there would I think I'm pretty sure Kanye did this last year on Runway Gen 2 they did it he like released his album with like this really creepy like video but you could just tell from it right away it was Runway but it was all like morphed but it like at the at you know when that's the vision it looks good like that looks

Play from 15:24 88:88 15:24 good to me I was like this is cool because it they understand what the what the negatives are of the tool and they're like making it look good this the same thing that we did we talked about this with Midjourney where everything started to look like super perfect then we're like how do we make it look like crap yeah I think you're going to see a lot of that too because everything is looking super super super polished on the video side which is good but you know I think it all depends now there's just you know not to go too far down here but there's there's like an interesting intertwining because the text of video right now to me it all kind of like Runway I can look at that and say like that's text to video and that's image to video pretty pretty close yeah really cuz run it's like Runway you'll get like a very specific like highly saturated look it's very I don't know because I've spent so much

Play from 16:10 88:88 16:10 time on there I can kind of look at it and especially I know my Generations too when they come out I'm like okay different color profiles maybe yeah super saturated very warm not like is not a lot of cool like even the cool feels warm if that makes sense yeah but it's it's just like a look right like the same way that Midjourney had that look for a long time you could tell right away you need to have the good bass images to get good videos I think this a good I think this is a good conversation cuz there's there's somebody that I'm thinking of of two that does this you know does exactly this let me just I'm going to share my screen real quick I'm sure like maybe a lot of people have heard of this you know like so it's it's nice aunties I have no idea who this person's actual name is but uh I've heard her on a podcast I've heard her do this do that

Play from 16:56 88:88 16:56 her art has been featured a lot she's I mean exploded here's my point she creates images in Dolly you know what I mean and then she'll take them and turn them into something ridiculous like like this it almost Embraces the nonperfect you know what I mean and it's because of that it's brilliant that's outstanding right so her whole take is she's got like several ants it's sort of like this culture that exists she's just kind of like exaggerating you know and almost like embellishing and then just she's created this like almost world or ecosystem around it and the videos again like these are images created in Dolly which most people aren't using and then embracing the fact that like you can

Play from 17:41 88:88 17:41 turn this into motion and it doesn't have to be perfect there are a lot of people that are trying to really focus on the perfect as aspect of video right now which it doesn't have to be because it's very hard to do right so my my whole point is artists are going to be artists when I see someone that's like a true artist it's like they have one thing that they do and they get obsessed about it so like that aesthetic that she's doing like she's obsessed with it and she's just going to keep going like you'll notice there's a lot of like really good artist it's just like one thing it's one thing like and you know what that drives me crazy because I've I can never be that person you know what I mean like I I've had that moment in time where I'm like I found something I love this so much two weeks go by and I'm [ __ ] over it you know what I mean it's just like there's no way I could

Play from 18:27 88:88 18:27 keep going down this I don't why and but that's just like my personality and that's sort of like how I treat anything creatively it's like I obsess over something so much for a given period of time and then I've moved on you know it's just like okay not that I've mastered it but I've gotten to a level good enough where I accept it and now something else has caught caught my attention you think about it from like a very meta perspective right if you're starting as an artist back when you were drawing painting sculpting whatever you probably got into one thing that you like doing and that's just kind of what you kept doing now we can generate whatever it is we ever wanted you know in any we could test anything we ever wanted and then you know that that kind of leads to like this little like I guess like artistic ad if you want to call it that but you know you look at the graffiti artists right look at like Banky Eduardo Cobra that guy's got

Play from 19:14 88:88 19:14 murals all over the city he has some CRA he does like full buildings like 70 story buildings like he'll do a whole side of a building but he'll do like a closeup of like Mother Teresa's face and then he'll paint it in sort of like uh this like kind of like crosssection multicolor I got to see if I can find a picture of yeah I was going to say you got to pull that up let's take a look here so like some of his stuff is absolutely incredible like he paints like the whole side of the building but the details are absolutely sick right like he goes super deep I remember seeing it for the first time in Windwood oh yeah in Miami you see the size of the person here right and like yeah the level of that is insane I want to see if he has the the one in New York here this one's on a this is like a 50 story

Play from 19:59 88:88 19:59 building it's huge but the details are super incredible like when you get up close you're like how did this guy do this you know it's insane this one the half this one I used to live on this street corner which was half little Michael half old Michael dop just you know really really insane what this guy is able it's so clean too which is crazy it stuff always gets my blows my mind whenever I see it in New York I'm trying to see if I can find the one go to his Instagram yeah what's there it is it's huge you see the buildings in the background those are at least 10 to 15 stories oh wow that's that's incredible this one was I when I saw this one too I was like you got to be kidding me with with Gandhi and her like with the separated down the middle by the uh I can't even remember what the

Play from 20:46 88:88 20:46 hell they're called right now because I've had a couple sips of a drink here but regardless I just like you know some of this stuff you just like how do people do this at scale insane insane there's this guy in Atlanta Greg Mike and he does these they're like just so like iconic and like you just recognize them instantly right they're like scattered throughout the city everywhere but it's like the same thing like there's so much detail packed in here it's like how the hell could you do that oh it's so dope yeah like the vibrant colors I know I know you'd [ __ ] love that but anything that's his style right like going back to that idea right it's that same style over and over again just taking different iterations it's like a peak into their soul you you know like that's that's what speaks to them and that's all they're going to create which

21:24Style Code Exploration

Play from 21:32 88:88 21:32 uh you know I'm all about cuz I think it's really cool when people just double down on exactly what they like and that's what they want to do there's this girl on Twitter if I could remember her name she just it's just like she does the same thing every time it's it's of her most of the time and it's this girl with like this short pink hair looks like Velma from like Scooby-Doo but she just is I like that by the way dud she's British and she has this like this British humor which comes through really hard but like the videos are so Whimsical and like out there they're so funny and she doesn't get a lot I mean maybe she does I just the ones I see it doesn't get like the love that it should get what what is her name on there let's give her a shot on plus I need to look her up it sounds like I don't follow her let's see if I can find her she does she

Play from 22:18 88:88 22:18 does these really like Whimsical thing it's just like I don't know if it's her if that's what she actually looks like if that's just like her Avatar I'm sure she probably doesn't have pink hair if that's in a bob but like she does all these things with this pink-haired girl and it just like it everyone is more ridiculous than the next and I I crack up every time I see it because I'm just like it's so out there she yeah she's only got 2,000 followers that's what I mean so you guys should go go give her some love because I I find her to be just entertaining like someone that's not taking themselves too seriously I find her stuff to be ridiculously hilarious yeah no this is dope good find dude there's there's so many people that do really cool stuff that don't get enough recognition especially on x man cuz it's hard to get it's hard to grow on X to be honest it's just it's hard to

Play from 23:04 88:88 23:04 grow unless you've unless you've really timed it right or you're just willing to just be so ridiculously consistent that you rise above it what do you create an IM Journey right now kind of stuff are you doing I was screwing around today cuz I don't know this was just it was funny you got me you sent me down the rabbit hole the other week on the on the arch still Stills archive so I did I did DVD I was doing this thing for like d pull that up pull that up of uh of mortal like 1980s Dark Fantasy Mortal Kombat I just cracking up the whole time pull that up those are dope you know you get an image like this and it's just like the 1980s things are so good they really Crush they they crush on the ' 80s they crush on the '90s like the oversized muscles the glistening like

Play from 23:51 88:88 23:51 these like sharp jaw lines and the you know when did this stuff actually when did people actually look like this like this stuff was really just was getting me love it yeah what what do you got you got to be doing something a few things I mean like doing the style code thing rolling through those I think there's a point though where I'm just like it feels like more fun than anything else I can't even imagine how many of these things I've done so here's what I'm running with all my tests I'm running just the skull emoji all right and I would say the point is this it allows me to very simply identify what kind of style it is yeah because it's not putting in a bunch of words it's just like one thing and now I've done this so

Play from 24:37 88:88 24:37 many times where I'm like I know what different type of skulls look like what how far it's going to Veer off you know and I can really read these Styles and so like basically my process is like going through I love my four five you know that of course most of the time I run like an SW 250 also like it's so I've got a good enough weight on the style too and then I'm just going through and I'm like literally just handpicking I'm just like okay I like this let me save this for later and then I'll just go back yeah I'll just go back and then I'll start to play with some of the prompts that I like to run with these things like for something like this this feels more illustrative let me do something like one of the ones that I love a lot is like dribbble.com I'll do like dribble.

Play from 25:23 88:88 25:23 character I love that two of the other ones that I love are like poster or even movie poster oh you're throwing your personalized in with style reference to codes all right cool to do it album cover love that one that one's always gives me good stuff whether it's like real or not I love to do Nike creative advertisement all right and then I like to do conceptual photography is like a good one so you're throwing a lot of ideas in here yeah like so so like then what I'll do is I'll run these this is like usually my litmus test of saying okay like is there anything in here that I like or do I see the potential of it if not it's like okay I

Play from 26:08 88:88 26:08 move on because I think there are certain sty there are enough style codes out there where it's like if you find a good one you'll know it right away you know what I mean like you don't have to like try too too hard you like so for these like these have a certain type of look right like I'm getting here's sort of like this dribble illustrative component then I get into something like okay here's how it inter interpret something that may be a little bit in between and then here's how it would maybe interpret something that's a little bit more like photography realism based right so it's just like okay you see the potential of what's here and then I move on right like if I if it it's something I don't really care about I'm looking for like interesting things like this and then yeah taking it running the permutations this has been fun you know just kind of like seeing what the possibilities are I like that album cover on the left yeah right dude look

26:44Aspect Ratio Effects

Play from 26:55 88:88 26:55 at that sick that's good right now this one's totally different so like I understand the diversity of it how much flexibility it's got what side of the spectrum it's leading on in terms of realism that sort of thing do you ever change the aspect ratio on these I have man but I love to stick to the four five have you noticed that aspect ratio sometimes changes the entire style code am I am I just am I tripping guys am I am I off on that sometimes if I do like 21 vers 4 five like I get something totally different let's do this let's let's play with permutations on this yeah do two one let's do another like extreme one let's do like a one three yeah yeah there you go yeah I feel like some of the things that I can count on in four five whenever I try to do it for other stuff like it doesn't work and it

Play from 27:41 88:88 27:41 piss me off yeah it's weird I don't know maybe it's just me though let's see oh look at these 13s that one Theses are kind of sick damn love that yeah see like to me that the total like if I was judging that's like a different color scheme what it is right like it's kind different like these yeah I don't really care for those these I love see it's like totally but it looks totally different is that me or no cuz these have all these like intricate details in the background right like in the four FS you have like a lot of intricate detail in the background it's more like maximalist than it is minimalist maybe I'm just I'm nitpicking no no no I mean I think it could oh I love that too yeah damn those 13s are actually pretty impressive I kind of like that these yeah there's a lot of stuff going on there to play with yeah yeah see to me like I'm loving this

Play from 28:26 88:88 28:26 21 that's awesome that's and but like you see what I'm saying like damn the four FS just they Crush always but there's the two one like the the style codes the only thing that gets me every once in a while is when I really like one and then when you try to get the text prompting right and it just won't listen to you cuz like the style is just too much for it to over if that makes sense you know yeah most of the time it's with the vintage looking stuff I don't know why it's like anything that looks like Vintage Film stock like or vintage like you know DVD screen grab kind of stuff you remember remember we were talking about prompts from like V5 where like I was like I'm going to revisit this there was one that I really really loved and it was like something like this I took the same same prompt

Play from 29:12 88:88 29:12 look at this and applied it to 6.1 and I just [ __ ] love these even these I was like damn dope yeah it's got this it's got this dreamy kind of effect to it dude I mean I think that's an underrated part right because once you've created so many images you do not go back yeah you know and and like that could be a whole I could spend two months three months just redoing every image I've ever run in a new version you know you don't always have to be creating net new stuff you could go back and just apply a different strength style or a different version I remember trolling a little bit on LinkedIn this was uh I don't troll much but there was a lot of sometimes there was a lot of people that were you know Dolly 3 is Dolly 3

Play from 29:59 88:88 29:59 moury I do remember that I was like guys I was like I put up I remember putting up a post and it was either it was is this Midjourney version 4 or Dolly 3 when we were at like 5'2 and like everyone was everyone was choosing the Midjourney version four stuff I'm like yeah this is like two versions ago it's better right it's not it's not and look your aesthetic can be something for Dolly 3 but when you're arguing more photo realism in Dolly 3 vers Midjourney like you're wrong like that was that was the point of it not saying if the aesthetic is better everyone has their own personal preferences I understand that you like Dolly 3 cool you like Midjourney awesome but if you're arguing that one is more photo realistic than the other you're it's a losing battle because it's not hey let me ask you this yeah we were talking about we were talking about video earlier and a lot of it being a lot at least a lot of what I'm seeing people

Play from 30:44 88:88 30:44 are using it for taking photo realism images from Midjourney flying it to Runway have you seen a lot of people really crushing it doing it from more of like the illustrative oh yeah are kind of component too because I just don't I I don't see it but I mean maybe you've got more of a curated feed it works a lot better like you can you can see it it works it it's so much more natural if that makes sense cuz we're not trying to pick out all the inadequacies sure you know we're not trying to when you see a human face you're looking at it you know exactly how it looks like my eyebrows went up and down like yeah you've seen enough human faces where you know it doesn't look right yeah cuz like you know even when you're trying to animate a face face like in you know 3D or whatever

Play from 31:30 88:88 31:30 when I was first doing this with Runway motion brush it's like realizing how many things had to move to get a smile you know like you smile like everything in your face has to move so you see when that doesn't work it's very obvious but the animated characters it looks really good most of the time cuz it's it's like accepted that it's not real you know and like you accept that there's some things that are going to work but the Illustrated stuff tends to work really well especially the 3D Pixar Style stuff you can get some really good motion out of that also the level of detail when you think about it from a construction standpoint of the pixels like when you have these photo realistic images there's probably so much different like coloration in terms of the pixels and think about the trees in the background they're going to be like 17 different colors of green yeah there's a lot of

Play from 32:16 88:88 32:16 stuff going on from a pixel standpoint but that 3D style or that animation style there's a lot less color going on it's a lot more like flat a lot more like two-tone of colors it's not necessarily like you know like my face right now could have maybe 75 different colors going on in it so the 3D stuff's not going to have that it's more focused on the actual like generation of the person itself so it's you can tell when people do it they do it really well on those platforms I've seen a lot of people using like 3D rigs now I'm posting like you know just doing like straight up either if I'm using the terminology WR I hope you know 3D designers don't come after me and kill me trying to learn as much as I possibly can but the uh the the 3D models when they're not actually rendered yet when it's basically like

32:37Creative Process

Play from 33:02 88:88 33:02 the skeleton Rigs and they're like you know it's just like a person running but it looks like a matte gray person oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I've seen a lot of people doing putting that stuff into Runway too getting it in video to video which is kind of crazy that I can do that it still doesn't look perfect but it's it's cool nonetheless that that'll probably develop over time cuz the the video to video stuff is cool like it if it when it works it works you know we're stepping into Avatar realm when we can start to skin things but it's not not there yet but fun regardless so there's there's so much stuff with Runway I mean like I never find the I never find the end of the rabbit hole there either really there's yeah cuz you just keep trying things and it keeps working but a lot of times it gets close and you're like oh it can do it so that's what H is

Play from 33:49 88:88 33:49 way like the other day Midjourney like threw me a bone and like gave me some inspiration like I was trying to create this uh I did like this this like short film on like some random it's just like a random I generated one image in Midjourney and wanted to create a whole short film out of it because it was I did like I was testing my new personalized code love that feeling though where you're like dude I can build this whole [ __ ] story off this [ __ ] it's just because I got a new personalized code and I was like oh let's test you know fa woman's face and I did it and it was like sick I was like well I could build a whole story around this and then I went down but it it got to the point where I would I had this pyramid image right and I couldn't I couldn't necessarily figure out what I was trying to do with it and then I just I just hit remix on it to see if something cool would come out and it opened like like opened a portal in the

Play from 34:35 88:88 34:35 middle of the image somehow like it just created a portal without me asking for a portal what and I was like that's cool like what can I do with this cuz then I started having like I you know ideas and I was like oh can I can I inpaint into the into the portal it didn't work like nothing nothing I did in there would work when I was trying to use the edit feature so I'm like how about I take I'm just generate another image so generate another image in Midjourney and I'll go into Photoshop and I'll mask the portal and I'll put the other image inside of it and then I was like let me take that into Runway and see if I can get like the depth effect of like going through it into like a different scene and it was and it did it on the first shot and I was like damn it's always like you can always get something new with that tool you know what I mean cuz it's that wasn't something that sounds like Midjourney that sounds like Midjourney

Play from 35:21 88:88 35:21 version four and five yeah I I'm curious when's the last time you rated images last weekend okay because I was I was only at level two let let me let me take you let me take you into this for those of you don't know you can you can curate the community front page so now they give you this option let's pick a few all right which one you like if you're top right why I don't know just cuz that's the one that stuck stuck out to me yeah this one's dope I love the detail in this one with this piece here instead of like the rating the images on aesthetic one like a or b or skip it also gives you this option to like it too so you got that option doesn't have to be the one that you choose for the front page but I think that's like a

35:28Community Curation

Play from 36:07 88:88 36:07 cool thing to note here like there's not really anything that stands out so I might skip that but love the detail in here it's like I don't really care about a flower but like the detail in the color is dope you know which one I'd go with right you would go with I don't know bro this one no go with those those black and white just skull no the right this that one really it's just wild no I wouldn't have guessed that I just like I just like extra I like extra oh this is kind of a cool idea which one this cow in he like terarium in there yeah yeah I like that that's kind of dope actually I might even like that cuz I'm curious what the

Play from 36:52 88:88 36:52 prompt is for that that's though oh I didn't even know you can like in there I didn't that's what I'm saying that's I'm saying you can like in here good way to be inspired yeah how do they choose this though I don't know but I do like I remember reading something that things start out in random maybe this is the impetus of now that they've got this like random shows up here and then maybe you accumulate enough votes where now you show up in this and then once you get enough votes in this you start to show up in hot and then once you do that you start to show up in top day that that is is what used to be what they used to like they they basically said I'm like this is super cool like yeah what the [ __ ] is this dope I used to

Play from 37:37 88:88 37:37 have a whole prompt for stuff like that and I to rip through it chemosynthetic organisms and like Cheo synthetic yeah you like that I do like that never don't even know what that means it's basically a different biolog different like biological like laws that would that would create a I I heard it on some I heard on some there's there's these crazy dudes on YouTube I don't know if you ever heard of the channel Melody sheep they shape if you want just epic visuals I mean these guys go through they're definitely 3D designers but they're like next level and it's just you know it's like space education but like really big ideas that are not really education I guess just really this is an awesome

Play from 38:25 88:88 38:25 thing to watch if you're into art cuz they they do such a good job with I'll send it to you go back to that like Miami looking thing I like that yeah this one that's up my those my that's my color palette damn yeah me and you like dude I love how versatile our preferences are I think that's like the coolest part there's also this one guy that I thought you might like okay so the guy that did this I came there was something else that I saw that he did this yep right on my so like you know like this is like something that you would see on Pinterest but I was like yo you can prompt for this this you don't like this idea like that graffiti oh is see the dude on on Instagram that do like I Instagram that does it Photoshop but like or or illustrator I forget which one line by

Play from 39:11 88:88 39:11 this is like this is all in tool and I was just like yo this is sick because like obviously this is a style that you've seen but it's like they'll be able to do that in mid that's super sick are there style codes attached to that or is it no no style codes that vatos one is sick yeah yeah I like that text I think text has gotten better it has gotten a little bit better a little bit better yeah I've noticed it being a lot easier I don't have to rerun it any like more than once if anything so good are there are there no reference images on this none all right impressive you know I love to just kind of see all these possibilities some of the stuff it's like I would never create that but I just love like there's something about that like whether it's a keyword a token something that feels

39:28Text Improvements

Play from 39:57 88:88 39:57 like you could take was it bio something biochemical Research Institute with three cultivation containers you like so for example love this idea I would never know what to call this you know what I mean like yeah so that's that's I I think like the the creative component where you can solve a lot of the things because you have to know how to describe things it's it's a different language type in type in up the on the search bar just try chemosynthetic now CH chemosynthetic just like this chemosynthetic yep okay let's see organism that'll that'll bring up the good stuff yeah okay so a lot of times when I come in here it's way different like based on let me pull up mine this is it looks totally different than this

Play from 40:44 88:88 40:44 but you know what like here's the other part of this we talked about this previously but to me like if if I've got a word like that let's like let's just say I'm going for I don't know cow I'm looking for a certain TI like let's just say it's like this now I'm going to go into search I've drilled down into this style into a sub style you know what I mean like now I've got more of a curated component based on the illustrative style now you can dig a little bit deeper it's like okay well whether I was looking to display the cow in a certain scene or a different expression or a different camera angle now I can get there faster because a lot of the a lot of the stuff that I've done in the past has been around like creating images is that I didn't have the vision for so how

Play from 41:30 88:88 41:30 do I solve that you know what I mean so it's like the fastest way to do it is to find some sort of reference that I can build off of and so I'm looking for that piece whether it's the the angle the keyword token for the style right the color like something about it whether I can take a style reference within it an image reference within it right so that's part of the the creation process yeah let me let me shoot this over to you yeah these are from these are from a while back I should probably r run these now these are one of those these are one of those prompts that just hit the button on like when you don't have a when you don't have like any sort of defined sort of idea in hand it's like oh let's see what you know beautiful anatomical anomaly chemosynthetic biochemistry will get me Dam right you know like something like that but it

42:00Old Prompt Revival

Play from 42:16 88:88 42:16 gets kind of you know it gets kind of wild in regards to what you get but these are let me see if I can find The Crazy Ones when I was back yeah you know you get you just get some really random crazy like this one right here you know like I'm never going to I'm never going to be a whatever the hell that is but you just get some really funky stuff that I love this one this one's like the bubble face I don't even know what the hell that is but that is wild now see okay this is where you and I like if now if I'm you and I don't like that image I'm subtl and varying that at least twice you know what I mean but you know what though also we've talked about this I'm really underwhelmed by the subtle now I don't I use the subtle it's like so subtle doesn't do much it's so subtle it

Play from 43:01 88:88 43:01 doesn't even matter anymore before it was like enough to where it would change something more than one or like more than one or two things but no more than like five right like so you would get a different color eye different expression now it's just like there's one piece of it that changed I'll look at the four Images I'm like what what the [ __ ] has even changed you know so I don't I don't really use it that much anymore but like um you know I'm using strong a lot more but it's good when you get into it like you know these are some of the damn I love that one right just like random like yarn face I just love what these prompts cuz they just gave you such crazy stuff where it was like I figured this would be something that was kind of up the alley there but really like regardless just random no sort of agenda

Play from 43:47 88:88 43:47 like let's just see what they yeah like let's see what they can come up with you know so this is you know V6 still crushing these were a while ago yeah 34 weeks ago jeez that was like the beginning of the year I mean I was I was having a lot of fun with that one if you couldn't tell this was a I was trying to do a representation of uh what happened to me over the weekend so yeah we were talking about this like of course you did damn and you were like yo for some reason Midjourney cannot I had a hard time with it I could not get it to like is that funny is that funny how some of that stuff exists yeah sometimes you have to say like things that don't make sense the nuances yeah like Midjourney you know we can't get the when you can't

Play from 44:33 88:88 44:33 get a full body and you ask for the shoes it's like okay now it gives you full body you can ask for full body a million times but as long as you ask for shoes then you get the full thing right so it's uh so much dude proba do we do a whole episode on just like curating some of our old stuff see if we can redo it either like screw around or troubleshoot some of it I like that idea what else man what like what else with Midjourney like anything like you're super excited about anything you've created recently that like Stoke in the fire anything like that it's mostly been how far can I push the video tools with the crazy stuff that Midjourney can produce cuz I'm waiting for the next thing like I can do it's it's weird you feel like you sometimes you hit you hit like a little lull in it and just like okay I'm

44:54Future Possibilities

Play from 45:20 88:88 45:20 creative with it but I'm not really like overly creative with it until like I want to create some video with it and then I'm like let me find how Wild can I get then to get to where I need to go but you know I'm just waiting for the next next updates the tough part about this is you create so many images you rarely go back there's never a use case for 99.9% of them right like the only honestly the only reason I think you and I even use the 0.1% is because we create content that we share to share it if if we not if we're not doing that no one seeing it so I think this is a great time to go back and revisit previous prompts going back to that same prompt that I was showing

Play from 46:05 88:88 46:05 you earlier like these were some other results and I was just like yo these are so dope one of the other things that I like to do once I get a good idea once I get a good output like this was an output from the rerun prop then using that as an image weight yeah right and playing with the weights right because then like you you've basically established a New Foundation that you create off of you can never end that's that's you can never end like I found this nice little code too like that felt like a van go style and so I like became obsessed with that start creating like Nike stuff with that thank God for Nike having so many images out there I know dude I know like and and like it feels so overdone to and I I hated to even do the Nike stuff but I was just like man it's just so fun to have a brand that generates well you know most

Play from 46:52 88:88 46:52 of the time you know and so like this one was like I was trying to create it in like a microwave Catching Fire you know which was kind of tough to do I did get the burn marks but uh you just gave me like I would want to do that in like a mid-century like microwave like one of those there you go you know like pastel blue like something like from uh what was the show with Loki I don't know if you saw Loki like just I haven't seen the I haven't seen the show I don't even know how to describe it but a very like a like retr futuristic kind of vibe to it super super unique well yeah let's wrap this one up if you stuck with us for this long you're real one you you're a real one might even drop the cell for you hit me up come through come through slide into Drew's DMS seriously we'll do a we'll do

Play from 47:37 88:88 47:37 a Don Julio we we'll we'll do it up if you're in the Southeast and if you're in the Northeast you come see you come see Rory so that's right that's right anyone welcome anytime hit me up hit us up we got some things coming cooking in the New Year we got we're planning some stuff try to keep everyone involved with this process as much as possible can we keep this lowkey like we're Midjourney can we just like just drop a little breakr and then not say anything else here it is maybe maybe you'll hear about it in q1 we we'll let you know maybe maybe but yeah dude yeah catch us in the next one thanks for joining us and uh see you guys later like And subscribe thank you see you oh that's your line now love it see you guys